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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 12, 2024 21:13:38 GMT 12
Typical spin from people trying to discredit her... She has a LLB from the university of Auckland and was Barister for human rights cases in NZ Supreme Court cases. One of her most high profile cases led to the police overhauling their rules about undercover operations. If that doesn't make her a lawyer then knock me over with a tad pole. Look it up Duckie, she is not currently registered as a lawyer in NZ, whereas for example Judith Collins maintains her registration www.lawsociety.org.nz/registry-lookup/You're splitting hairs. Is a policitician who is not currently a MP still a policitician? Was Winnie still a policitician when he was out of a job for 3 years? Is a career machinist who retires at 65 after macining since they were 18yo still a machinist? And besides, she doesn't call herself a lawyer, she calls herself a policitician. She has never once claimed she was a lawyer since her license expired. Your post was typical spin to discrefit. If you had stated that she was a human rights barrister for 10 years but cancelled her license when starting a career in politics so is technically no longer a lawyer, then that would be fine. But you did not. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 13, 2024 8:00:59 GMT 12
You're splitting hairs. Is a policitician who is not currently a MP still a policitician? Was Winnie still a policitician when he was out of a job for 3 years? Is a career machinist who retires at 65 after macining since they were 18yo still a machinist? And besides, she doesn't call herself a lawyer, she calls herself a policitician. She has never once claimed she was a lawyer since her license expired. Your post was typical spin to discrefit. If you had stated that she was a human rights barrister for 10 years but cancelled her license when starting a career in politics so is technically no longer a lawyer, then that would be fine. But you did not. No Duckie, you are the one splitting hairs. The Green's website still states "Golriz's expertise as a human rights and constitutional lawyer....", if you want to be accurate the word "previous" or "past" should be in that statement. You mention Winnie, well he is also a lawyer but not registered and not referred to as a lawyer, same with Chloe Swarbrick (she has the degree but never practised). GG deliberately misrepresented her roles from when she was on the defence teams for Simon Bikindi and Radovan Karadzic. I don't have a problem with someone defending an accused - the accused is entitled to a defence, but what does it say about the person if they cannot be honest about their roles and use the misrepresentation to enhance herself?? |
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 13, 2024 8:57:36 GMT 12
You're splitting hairs. Is a policitician who is not currently a MP still a policitician? Was Winnie still a policitician when he was out of a job for 3 years? Is a career machinist who retires at 65 after macining since they were 18yo still a machinist? And besides, she doesn't call herself a lawyer, she calls herself a policitician. She has never once claimed she was a lawyer since her license expired. Your post was typical spin to discrefit. If you had stated that she was a human rights barrister for 10 years but cancelled her license when starting a career in politics so is technically no longer a lawyer, then that would be fine. But you did not. No Duckie, you are the one splitting hairs. The Green's website still states "Golriz's expertise as a human rights and constitutional lawyer....", if you want to be accurate the word "previous" or "past" should be in that statement. You mention Winnie, well he is also a lawyer but not registered and not referred to as a lawyer, same with Chloe Swarbrick (she has the degree but never practised). GG deliberately misrepresented her roles from when she was on the defence teams for Simon Bikindi and Radovan Karadzic. I don't have a problem with someone defending an accused - the accused is entitled to a defence, but what does it say about the person if they cannot be honest about their roles and use the misrepresentation to enhance herself?? That doesn't say she currently a practicing lawyer. The words previous or past is superfluous. It's unnecessary, of course it's previous what else is experience going to be? Future? No where does it say that she is currently registered as a lawyer. So where and when does she call herself a lawyer? I don't mean someone else, I mean her. You have made the statement that she calls herself a lawyer. Back it up. |
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Post by fish on Jan 13, 2024 9:15:24 GMT 12
You're splitting hairs. Is a policitician who is not currently a MP still a policitician? Was Winnie still a policitician when he was out of a job for 3 years? Is a career machinist who retires at 65 after macining since they were 18yo still a machinist? And besides, she doesn't call herself a lawyer, she calls herself a policitician. She has never once claimed she was a lawyer since her license expired. Your post was typical spin to discrefit. If you had stated that she was a human rights barrister for 10 years but cancelled her license when starting a career in politics so is technically no longer a lawyer, then that would be fine. But you did not. No Duckie, you are the one splitting hairs. The Green's website still states "Golriz's expertise as a human rights and constitutional lawyer....", if you want to be accurate the word "previous" or "past" should be in that statement. You mention Winnie, well he is also a lawyer but not registered and not referred to as a lawyer, same with Chloe Swarbrick (she has the degree but never practised). GG deliberately misrepresented her roles from when she was on the defence teams for Simon Bikindi and Radovan Karadzic. I don't have a problem with someone defending an accused - the accused is entitled to a defence, but what does it say about the person if they cannot be honest about their roles and use the misrepresentation to enhance herself?? I don't believe this, surely this is spin or a conspiracy theory? Chloe Swarbrick has an LLB? I thought the only thing she achieved before becoming an MP was setting up a coffee shop?!? She certainly kept the LLB quiet. Not surprised she never practiced as a lawyer though, she would really struggle to cut it in any real world work. |
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Post by GO30 on Jan 13, 2024 10:46:27 GMT 12
New allegations now and not a soul has tried to deny any other them, now even the party that's proven itself to beable to lie like a banshe and then totally ignore the blatant fact they did.
Not a single attempt to deny it does sort of suggest no one thinks she is innocent.
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Post by GO30 on Jan 13, 2024 10:51:27 GMT 12
How could anyone read that and not think she is a lawyer?
'as a' screams Now Here Today she is.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 14, 2024 7:24:00 GMT 12
No Duckie, you are the one splitting hairs. The Green's website still states "Golriz's expertise as a human rights and constitutional lawyer....", if you want to be accurate the word "previous" or "past" should be in that statement. You mention Winnie, well he is also a lawyer but not registered and not referred to as a lawyer, same with Chloe Swarbrick (she has the degree but never practised). GG deliberately misrepresented her roles from when she was on the defence teams for Simon Bikindi and Radovan Karadzic. I don't have a problem with someone defending an accused - the accused is entitled to a defence, but what does it say about the person if they cannot be honest about their roles and use the misrepresentation to enhance herself?? I don't believe this, surely this is spin or a conspiracy theory? Chloe Swarbrick has an LLB? I thought the only thing she achieved before becoming an MP was setting up a coffee shop?!? She certainly kept the LLB quiet. Not surprised she never practiced as a lawyer though, she would really struggle to cut it in any real world work. from Wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chl%C3%B6e_SwarbrickEarly Life
Swarbrick was born in Auckland in 1994 and went to Royal Oak Intermediate[5] and Epsom Girls' Grammar School. Her parents separated when she was young and she lived with her mother in the UK for six months and then with her father for 18 months in Papua New Guinea. She said her father taught her how to formulate an argument while practising her first speech at age seven. During high school, she spent a week at a time with each parent.[6] She entered the University of Auckland at age 17, and graduated with a Bachelor of Laws and a Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy. She says she did not want to be a lawyer but wanted to learn more about the Treaty of Waitangi and the legal system |
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Post by fish on Jan 14, 2024 9:30:59 GMT 12
I don't believe this, surely this is spin or a conspiracy theory? Chloe Swarbrick has an LLB? I thought the only thing she achieved before becoming an MP was setting up a coffee shop?!? She certainly kept the LLB quiet. Not surprised she never practiced as a lawyer though, she would really struggle to cut it in any real world work. from Wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chl%C3%B6e_SwarbrickEarly Life
Swarbrick was born in Auckland in 1994 and went to Royal Oak Intermediate[5] and Epsom Girls' Grammar School. Her parents separated when she was young and she lived with her mother in the UK for six months and then with her father for 18 months in Papua New Guinea. She said her father taught her how to formulate an argument while practising her first speech at age seven. During high school, she spent a week at a time with each parent.[6] She entered the University of Auckland at age 17, and graduated with a Bachelor of Laws and a Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy. She says she did not want to be a lawyer but wanted to learn more about the Treaty of Waitangi and the legal systemAh, A BA in Philosophy. That makes so much more sense. Explains a lot. I did a paper in philosophy for a laugh. Social and Political Philosophy, at 200 level, cause they said I'd be bored shitless with a 100 level paper. Was just as I was wrapping up my Engineering Degree with a side of genetic engineering and just before I commenced my graduate programme at the meat works. I've never had so much fun in a uni paper. On the first day the whole class had to introduce ourselves and give a little background. All of the class accept me were doing a BA, some majoring in philosophy. There was a high proportion of vegans. About half were still living with their parents in Feilding (note that in the 90's that was not normal, but with house prices in Auckland I understand 95% of students still live with their parents). The whole basis of a philosophy class is to practice argueing. The lecturer would put a topic, and we would have to construct an arguement. I believe it was this paper that I coined the phrase "lefty-poof-tree-hugging-vegetarians". Some of those guys were incredibly easy to wind up. It didn't really matter what the topic was, you could tell what arguement that were going to take. I'd just logically set out the counter arguement and they would spontaneously combust. PS CZ, I was tongue in cheek saying it's a conspiracy theory Chloe has an LLB. It's more the fact she simply has not got what it takes to be objective, or to cut it in the real world doing the type of work almost any registered lawyer actually does. |
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Post by eri on Jan 15, 2024 10:26:14 GMT 12
interesting "Police later confirmed they were investigating reports of an incident on December 23. They received the report the same day."so when gg refused to open her bag after suspicious activity on the 27th, scotties staff probably told her she had already been reported to police on the 23rd which makes the anonymous return of both sets of goods ($8,000 + $7,000 = $15,000?) seem more like a desperate measure to prevent a search rather than any belated sense of honesty www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/15/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-returns-to-nz-amid-shoplifting-claims/anyway, gg's back today so the matter should soon be put to bed 1 way or the other unless she decides to go full kiri allen and demand her day in court (in about a year?) and continue to refuse to fess-up as the case is pendingin which case you'd think the greens wouldn't want to prolong the agony of one of their best and brightest appearing to pretty low level
so they'd have to fire the explosive bolts and let her burn up on her own
... as a list mp, i guess if she's sacked, they go back to list and uplift the 1 below the cutoff google should be able to tell us who that would be |
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Post by eri on Jan 15, 2024 10:29:04 GMT 12
The Green Party's final list for election 2023:
Marama Davidson (list only)James Shaw (list only) Chlöe Swarbrick (Auckland Central)Julie Anne Genter (Rongotai)Teanau Tuiono (Palmerston North)Lan Pham (Banks Peninsula)Golriz Ghahraman (Kelston)Ricardo Menéndez March (Mount Albert)Steve Abel (New Lynn)Hūhana Lyndon (Te Tai Tokerau)Fa’anānā Efeso Collins (Panmure-Ōtāhuhu)Scott Willis (Taieri)Darleen Tana (Tāmaki Makaurau)Kahurangi Carter (Christchurch Central)Tamantha Paul............ wasn't on the published list but is now an MP? the cut? Celia Wade-Brown (Wairarapa) Dr. Lawrence Xu-Nan (Epsom) Francisco Hernandez (Dunedin) Benjamin Doyle (Hamilton West) Mike Davidson (Ilam) Stephanie Rodgers (Ōhāriu) Suveen Sanis Walgampola (Mount Roskill) Dave Kennedy (Southland) Gina Dao-McLay (Mana) Reina Tuai Penney (Northland) Nick Ratcliffe (Tukituki) Dr. Alexander McNeil (Kaikōrua) Richard Wesley (Wigram) Neelu Jennings (Hutt South) Rochelle Francis Sapna Samant (Maungakiekie) Kair Lippiatt so the safe hands of the wairarapa retread? policy.nz/2023/wairarapa-electorate/candidates/celia-wade-brown
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Post by sabre on Jan 15, 2024 10:41:42 GMT 12
interesting "Police later confirmed they were investigating reports of an incident on December 23. They received the report the same day."seems on the 23rd the police had received a report of alleged theft that day so when gg refused to open her bag after suspicious activity on the 27th, scotties staff probably told her she had already been reported to police on the 23rd which makes the anonymous return of both sets of goods ($8,000 + $7,000 = $15,000) seem more like a desperate measure to prevent a search rather than any belated sense of honesty anyway gg's back today so the matter should soon be put to bed 1 way or the other unless she decides to go full kiri allen and demand her day in court (in about a year?) and continue to refuse to fess-up while the case is pendingin which case you'd think the greens would have to eject her sooner rather than later www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/15/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-returns-to-nz-amid-shoplifting-claims/as a list mp, i guess if she's sacked, they go back to list and uplift the 1 below the cutoff google should be able to tell us who that would be How on earth did she travel overseas? By carbon neutral sail boat? A plane powered by unicorn farts? Surely she wouldn't use a fossil fuel burning vehicle to go on vacation because that would make her not only a thief but a raving hypocrite. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 15, 2024 13:50:01 GMT 12
interesting "Police later confirmed they were investigating reports of an incident on December 23. They received the report the same day."seems on the 23rd the police had received a report of alleged theft that day so when gg refused to open her bag after suspicious activity on the 27th, scotties staff probably told her she had already been reported to police on the 23rd which makes the anonymous return of both sets of goods ($8,000 + $7,000 = $15,000) seem more like a desperate measure to prevent a search rather than any belated sense of honesty anyway gg's back today so the matter should soon be put to bed 1 way or the other unless she decides to go full kiri allen and demand her day in court (in about a year?) and continue to refuse to fess-up while the case is pendingin which case you'd think the greens would have to eject her sooner rather than later www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/15/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-returns-to-nz-amid-shoplifting-claims/as a list mp, i guess if she's sacked, they go back to list and uplift the 1 below the cutoff google should be able to tell us who that would be How on earth did she travel overseas? By carbon neutral sail boat? A plane powered by unicorn farts? Surely she wouldn't use a fossil fuel burning vehicle to go on vacation because that would make her not only a thief but a raving hypocrite. Are you not aware that most airlines offer an uplift to offset your individual carbon emissions? And if the airline you're flying does not offer it there's third parties that will. Do you not get out much? |
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Post by eri on Jan 15, 2024 14:44:16 GMT 12
middle-class shop-lifting Joe, 42, a PR from Tottenham, started stealing his lunch every day from Boots in April 2021. “One day the queue was massive so I just walked out holding it,” he says. “When nothing happened I started doing it every day. It wasn’t about the money I was saving, it gave me a sense of control and made me feel calm.”
But one day, a security guard stopped him. “He told me he’d seen me and he knew I hadn’t paid for my sandwich,” says Joe. “I totally panicked. He took me into a back room and took my picture and told me I was banned from the store for life and if I ever came back he’d call the police. My blood ran cold. I was imagining what would’ve happened if I’d have to tell work or my family. It was total madness.”
www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/15/the-rise-of-middle-class-shoplifting-and-how-it-became-an-epidemic-in-london/ |
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Post by dutyfree on Jan 15, 2024 16:09:34 GMT 12
Duck subscribes to the pay for your carbon sins religion. Green’s subscribe to the you not me religion.
It’s a catastrophe, no more fossil fuels (except the ones they are happy to burn).
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Post by chariot on Jan 15, 2024 20:01:28 GMT 12
Sounds like she has been at it in a shop in Wellington as well.
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