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Post by harrytom on Aug 28, 2024 17:18:15 GMT 12
But wait, there's more! (of course there is more with ze gangreenz, I'm really starting to love them...!! ) www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/08/tana_vs_greens.html This looks like Darlene Tana is seeking an injunction to stop the Greens from using the waka jumping law to remove her as an MP.
It will be a very interesting case, as there will be arguments over how you determine if proportionality is upset. However I would be very surprised if a judge tries to second guess the decision of a party caucus on the issue, so I do not expect Tana will prevail.
It is possible though she could gain an interim injunction, so the law can’t be triggered until there is a hearing on the merits.Seems simple to me. I get a seat due to being on party list.I fucked up and party dumps me.No more gravy train.Off to the real world for a job.
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Post by fish on Aug 28, 2024 18:18:39 GMT 12
I don't care at all about this Greens / Tana stuff. What really worries me is that it is physically possible for these people, the Greens, to be part of a government that has control of my country.
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Post by eri on Aug 29, 2024 16:19:38 GMT 12
yup, full-blown
bankrupting socialism
is only a few years
and a few dishonest bribes to electorate away
you have been warned
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 30, 2024 8:34:54 GMT 12
from Heather duplicitous Allan on Darleen Tana Is anyone else getting the feeling the Greens have underestimated just how far Darleen Tana will go to to mess with them? I feel like they might have bit off a bit much with this one. Because so far - it’s 2-nil to Darleen. She won the first round when she refused to quit Parliament. The Greens clearly thought that after they’d finished the report she’d just slink off in shame - but she refused to do that. And she’s just won the second round today by forcing the party to cancel that meeting they were planning to have on Sunday where they were going to plot kicking her out of Parliament. I'm actually impressed - this woman has got way more gumption than any of us thought. And who knows where it goes from here? Because this is clearly not the end, from where I'm sitting there are at least two more rounds to come. They're going to go to court in two weeks, that's another round - and then they'll have to actually, eventually trigger the waka-jumping law and kick her out. By now, they must be dreading what she pulls out next. I know I'm running against the grain on this one - but good on her. I'm enjoying watching her make them squirm. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on her side, she’s weird - but the Greens deserve this. They chose her. They were very happy to have Darleen on their list for the election, weren't they? She was a nice married Māori lady from Auckland Central who owned a small business, she was someone nice people in Auckland Central who had money and small businesses could identify with and vote for. They were happy to have her then - but they clearly didn't do the checks on her like they didn't do with a whole lot of other Green MPs who've since gone rogue.
They've got to live with their choices - and the big old fight one of their choices is bringing to them.
This will need a kingsize bucket of organic vegan popcorn before it is over
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Post by muzled on Aug 30, 2024 8:53:38 GMT 12
from Heather duplicitous Allan on Darleen Tana Is anyone else getting the feeling the Greens have underestimated just how far Darleen Tana will go to to mess with them? I feel like they might have bit off a bit much with this one. Because so far - it’s 2-nil to Darleen. She won the first round when she refused to quit Parliament. The Greens clearly thought that after they’d finished the report she’d just slink off in shame - but she refused to do that. And she’s just won the second round today by forcing the party to cancel that meeting they were planning to have on Sunday where they were going to plot kicking her out of Parliament. I'm actually impressed - this woman has got way more gumption than any of us thought. And who knows where it goes from here? Because this is clearly not the end, from where I'm sitting there are at least two more rounds to come. They're going to go to court in two weeks, that's another round - and then they'll have to actually, eventually trigger the waka-jumping law and kick her out. By now, they must be dreading what she pulls out next. I know I'm running against the grain on this one - but good on her. I'm enjoying watching her make them squirm. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on her side, she’s weird - but the Greens deserve this. They chose her. They were very happy to have Darleen on their list for the election, weren't they? She was a nice married Māori lady from Auckland Central who owned a small business, she was someone nice people in Auckland Central who had money and small businesses could identify with and vote for. They were happy to have her then - but they clearly didn't do the checks on her like they didn't do with a whole lot of other Green MPs who've since gone rogue.
They've got to live with their choices - and the big old fight one of their choices is bringing to them.
This will need a kingsize bucket of organic vegan popcorn before it is over It's absolute gold isn't it! I'm loving every single second of it, and I have to say, I quite like that darling Darleen hasn't quit for the reasons mentioned above. But mainly I'm ecstatic because this whole fiasco shows just how unelectable the gangrenes really are. The only way it could possibly be better is if it was closer to the next election. My pick is it will lead to a law change. If you are a list mp then you can get turfed out if you bring the party into disrepute/break the law etc etc. If you're voted in by the people, then you get to stay until the next election when the people get their say.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 30, 2024 11:39:22 GMT 12
As should be "list members" get the boot from the party and parliament.
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Post by muzled on Sept 19, 2024 11:46:28 GMT 12
Yes I know she's not an official gangreen but oh she fits the bill so beautifully. Single, earns nigh on $200K and has to sell her car coz times are tough. At least she's not in charge of running a city... www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/09/17/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-now-walks-to-work-after-selling-car-to-pay-bills/Whanau said she was also “feeling the crunch” in an interview with Newstalk ZB’s Nick Mills about the mood of Wellington in the cost of living crisis.
“We are feeling a bit low at the moment, we’ve been hit by a number of things. Obviously, the economic downturn, public service cuts, the cost of living, people aren’t spending money and that has shown up in closures and whatnot.
When Mills asked Whanau if she “actually” feels the economic challenges, she acknowledged her privilege.
“I don’t want to downplay the privilege that I have right? I am the mayor of the city I have a house and i’m very thankful for that.
“However I’ve just sold my car recently to help pay the bills and I walk to work again. My mortgage rates have doubled in the last few years. So I’m feeling the crunch as well but I also acknowledge the privilege I have.”
Tory Whanau’s salary increased 3.7% to $189,000 in July.
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Post by fish on Sept 19, 2024 12:11:27 GMT 12
Yes I know she's not an official gangreen but oh she fits the bill so beautifully. Single, earns nigh on $200K and has to sell her car coz times are tough. At least she's not in charge of running a city... www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/09/17/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-now-walks-to-work-after-selling-car-to-pay-bills/Whanau said she was also “feeling the crunch” in an interview with Newstalk ZB’s Nick Mills about the mood of Wellington in the cost of living crisis.
“We are feeling a bit low at the moment, we’ve been hit by a number of things. Obviously, the economic downturn, public service cuts, the cost of living, people aren’t spending money and that has shown up in closures and whatnot.
When Mills asked Whanau if she “actually” feels the economic challenges, she acknowledged her privilege.
“I don’t want to downplay the privilege that I have right? I am the mayor of the city I have a house and i’m very thankful for that.
“However I’ve just sold my car recently to help pay the bills and I walk to work again. My mortgage rates have doubled in the last few years. So I’m feeling the crunch as well but I also acknowledge the privilege I have.”
Tory Whanau’s salary increased 3.7% to $189,000 in July.
Oh she is a fully fledged Green alright. Was a Green party staffer before she was made Mayor. Now, if you think she is bad at managing money, she won lotto in 2002, $1.4million. How she has a mortgage now, if she won enough to buy 3 comfortable houses 2 decades ago is completely beyond me.
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Post by chariot on Sept 19, 2024 12:15:11 GMT 12
I read somewhere yesterday that she won $1.4m on Lotto a couple of years ago. Obviously needs to go to a budgeting service. While she's there she can get them to sort Wellingtons problems as well.
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 19, 2024 13:16:10 GMT 12
Yes I know she's not an official gangreen but oh she fits the bill so beautifully. Single, earns nigh on $200K and has to sell her car coz times are tough. At least she's not in charge of running a city... www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/09/17/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-now-walks-to-work-after-selling-car-to-pay-bills/Whanau said she was also “feeling the crunch” in an interview with Newstalk ZB’s Nick Mills about the mood of Wellington in the cost of living crisis.
“We are feeling a bit low at the moment, we’ve been hit by a number of things. Obviously, the economic downturn, public service cuts, the cost of living, people aren’t spending money and that has shown up in closures and whatnot.
When Mills asked Whanau if she “actually” feels the economic challenges, she acknowledged her privilege.
“I don’t want to downplay the privilege that I have right? I am the mayor of the city I have a house and i’m very thankful for that.
“However I’ve just sold my car recently to help pay the bills and I walk to work again. My mortgage rates have doubled in the last few years. So I’m feeling the crunch as well but I also acknowledge the privilege I have.”
Tory Whanau’s salary increased 3.7% to $189,000 in July.
Oh she is a fully fledged Green alright. Was a Green party staffer before she was made Mayor. Now, if you think she is bad at managing money, she won lotto in 2002, $1.4million. How she has a mortgage now, if she won enough to buy 3 comfortable houses 2 decades ago is completely beyond me. I read she was in her 20's when she won, paid off her parents mortgage and all the extended family who suddenly appeared out of the bushes with their hands out, then went on a spendup herself, big OE etc, so not alot left at the end. Still,on a $190k pa she will be living very comfortably, doesn't need a car at present as council provides one which will no doubt include private use, probably has a raft of taxi vouchers for when she is too pissed to drive home.
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Post by muzled on Sept 23, 2024 9:17:00 GMT 12
Tory - the gift that keeps giving... Surely she won't stand again. www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/a_disastrous_interview.htmlThe Post reports: Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has confirmed she did not sell her car to pay the bills before he office clarified that, in fact, she did.
So last week on radio she said she did sell her car to pay her bills. Then on Q+A she said she didn’t. Then after the interview her office pout out a statement contradicting what she said on Q+A. This resulted in something I’ve not seen before. Host Jack Tane having to say at the beginning of the episode “For transparency’s sake there is some misunderstand and confusion in this interview and the Mayor amends some of her answers” It wasn’t just her car sale to pay the bills she got wrong. Whanau also told Tame Wellington rates “will start to decrease over time”. In reality, the council’s 10-year plan shows percentage increases are planned for rates for each of the next 10 years. What will decrease if the amount they increase each year.
There is no decrease. Far from it. Rates will be 50% higher in 2028 than earlier this year. Next year is already forecast to be 10.8% and the year after 13.1%. She also told Tame an October 10 vote to stop the sale of Wellington Airport shares would likely succeed, before later clarifying that it would likely fail. Confused? You’re not the only one!
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Post by fish on Sept 23, 2024 9:51:59 GMT 12
Tory - the gift that keeps giving... Surely she won't stand again. www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/a_disastrous_interview.htmlThe Post reports: Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has confirmed she did not sell her car to pay the bills before he office clarified that, in fact, she did.
So last week on radio she said she did sell her car to pay her bills. Then on Q+A she said she didn’t. Then after the interview her office pout out a statement contradicting what she said on Q+A. This resulted in something I’ve not seen before. Host Jack Tane having to say at the beginning of the episode “For transparency’s sake there is some misunderstand and confusion in this interview and the Mayor amends some of her answers” It wasn’t just her car sale to pay the bills she got wrong. Whanau also told Tame Wellington rates “will start to decrease over time”. In reality, the council’s 10-year plan shows percentage increases are planned for rates for each of the next 10 years. What will decrease if the amount they increase each year.
There is no decrease. Far from it. Rates will be 50% higher in 2028 than earlier this year. Next year is already forecast to be 10.8% and the year after 13.1%. She also told Tame an October 10 vote to stop the sale of Wellington Airport shares would likely succeed, before later clarifying that it would likely fail. Confused? You’re not the only one! She is a fully paid up member of the Green Party, and up until Mayor, was a paid Green Parliamentary Staffer. What more could you expect? BUT, she is a wahine Maori, so, you know, you can't discriminate on her incompetence you know ;-)
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 23, 2024 17:00:46 GMT 12
and the next move in this soap opera is? RCR bites: Ex-Green MP Darleen Tana has lost her High Court challenge against the Green Party's investigation into her alleged knowledge of worker exploitation at her husband’s business. Despite her claims of being "ousted" from the Party, the court found the inquiry was lawful. Green co-leader Chloe Swarbrick welcomed the ruling and will now decide whether to use the so-called “waka-jumping” legislation to remove Tana from parliament. www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/528569/darleen-tana-fails-high-court-bid-against-green-party-investigation
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Post by muzled on Sept 25, 2024 20:51:24 GMT 12
Bryce on Whanau and te pahti kakariki 🤡
How come it's taken so long for the gangrene's to come up with the extended name???
Kakariki Mayor Tory Whanau
Bryce Edwards
Sep 25
The Green Party has officially changed its name, adding te reo alongside the English words so that they can now be called “The Greens Te Pāti Kākāriki”. The use of the term “kākāriki”, or “green”, might also be adopted by the party’s only city Mayor, Tory Whanau of Wellington.
This isn’t only because Whanau sells herself as an environmentalist, but also as “green” also means “inexperienced”, “naïve” or “lacking knowledge”. That’s what Mayor Whanau is being associated with at the moment in Wellington, after two years of poor leadership, and then giving four media interviews in the last week that have been highly embarrassing.
Whanau’s claims of financial hardship
Whanau’s most embarrassing gaffes of the last week have revolved around her attempt to position herself as personally suffering from the economic downturn that her constituents are facing. When asked by broadcaster Nick Mills on Newstalk ZB about the cost of living in Wellington, the Mayor replied to suggest that she felt the same pain as those who are currently struggling in her city: “I’ve just sold my car recently to kind of help pay the bills. I walk to work again. My mortgage rates have doubled in the last two years, so I’m feeling the pinch as well”.
This reply has been met with incredulity. This is because Whanau is currently paid nearly $190,000 a year and won a Lotto prize of $1.4 million in the past. Commentators pointed out that she also recently received a four per cent pay increase.
Several observers have suggested that Whanau’s claims show how out of touch she is with the realities of her constituents, or even worse, that her financial complaints come across as narcissistic. The Post’s Tom Hunt commented that Whanau’s salary “is well over twice the average public servant wage of $84,000. It can’t have gone down well with public servants recently made redundant or facing the chop, or those struggling to feed their families after an average 18.5% rates hike around the city.”
However, the explanation that commentators missed is that Tory Whanau had taken a pay cut to be mayor after working as a corporate lobbyist. When she ran for office in 2022, she worked for the corporate lobbying firm Capital Government Relations, which was run by Neale Jones and Ben Thomas.
While Whanau was there, the highly-successful lobbyists had been leveraging their former roles in the Beehive for lucrative contracts with property developers, supermarket giants, and big technology firms like Google. Shifting from this to a politician’s salary of “only” $190,000 was probably a source of complaint for the green mayor. As one satirist posted on X, Whanau’s WCC salary “is probably chump change compared to the cash filled envelopes she was receiving on a regular basis from corporate reps.”
Whanau also explained this week that she shifted from lobbying to the mayoral job, expecting it to be easier. She told a podcast: “I kinda thought that mayors flew under the radar a lot more which is why I kinda went for council in the first place… The public interest side, the news side of things has completely blindsided me, I didn’t expect that. That’s been a huge learning curve”.
Car crash interviews
The fourth interview that Whanau has given in the last week was with Jack Tame on TVNZ’s Q+A. Tame challenged the Mayor about her claims of having to sell her car to pay her bills, and she clarified that this by saying: “No, I actually didn’t”. She also claimed that it involved miscommunication: “It was an hour-long interview. You get a bit relaxed”.
However, after the interview Tame read out a statement from Whanau’s office to re-correct what she had said. The statement said: “The mayor sold her car to help with her mortgage, where her weekly repayments had doubled. It also made sense to sell as it was no longer needed because she had moved into a townhouse near the city centre.”
Whanau also complained in the interview with Tame that her statement about her needing to sell her car to pay her bills was “taken out of context”. But the original interviewer, Nick Mills, disagrees: “To say that those comments were taken out of context is rubbish. She said it. The comments are clear as day. She was struggling and she sold the car. What can be taken out of context from that?”
Mills labelled Whanau’s Q+A interview a “train wreck” and said it reinforced his existing view that “I don’t think she’s up to the job. And I don’t think she’s getting the right advice from people around her.”
So, who are the people around her giving her advice? Whanau gave another interview for a podcast, talking about the bad publicity that she’s been getting: “Every now and again I check in with all my mates. A lot of my friends worked for Dame Jacinda Ardern. They were in her office – Chief of Staff, Chief Press Sec, and all of them. And I just will go: ‘Is this normal? Is this level of negativity normal?’ And they are, like “Yeah, unfortunately”. When you are a progressive politician, especially a woman, especially a Māori, you just have to kinda unfortunately get used to this level.”
Whanau’s greenness laid clear
The journalist that has probably followed Tory Whanau’s political career more than anyone is The Post newspaper’s Tom Hunt. He said yesterday that her recent interviews have been “a car wreck, train crash and a catastrophe all folded into one.”
He points out that there were lots of other blunders in her Q+A interview, apart from the car selling claim: “Claiming rates would reduce despite the council forecasting them to increase hugely, and claiming a vote to end the council’s sale of its airport shares would likely succeed, then saying it would probably fail.”
Hunt has also questioned her political strategy and communications skills, saying that Whanau should not have kept the car-selling story alive: “what should have been a silly aside from a week earlier was given fresh legs. It makes you wonder what sort of advice she was getting because to backtrack once was strange, but to backtrack again just seems like chaos. And all for a story that really didn’t matter until it became more about integrity than transport.”
Whanau promised to be a unity mayor
In her Q+A interview, Whanau was particularly combative about her council colleagues, accusing other councillors of displaying “dysfunctional behaviour” and not putting the public’s interest first. She lashed out at her colleagues, saying: “I’d just encourage the public – don’t let that sort of political riff-raff take over the good work that the council is doing”.
On this use of “riff-raff”, the Post’s Tom Hunt has also suggested that Whanau has badly mis-stepped: “The Collins Dictionary lists synonyms as rabble, undesirables, scum, and hoi-polloi. Even if she was not talking about specifics, it was a terrible term to use for a mayor elected on a platform of unity.”
Although it’s clear that Whanau’s ability to lead her council or to build bridges has been incredibly poor, what has been even more problematic is her policy agenda. This has revolved around some very conservative or rightwing proposals and projects: trying to negotiate a corporate welfare deal for the multinational Reading Cinemas, trying to bring in water meters for households, being unwilling to pause the restoration of the Town Hall that had blown out in costs to $330 million, and now trying to sell the council’s shares in Wellington Airport.
What is Whanau’s future?
Under her mayoralty, Whanau now says that more austerity and cuts to basic services might be coming. The Herald’s Azaria Howell reported this week that the Mayor admitted that “cuts in other areas such as social housing and water infrastructure” could be coming, especially if she doesn’t get her way on selling the Council’s airport shares.
None of this is good for Whanau’s chances of re-election. But could the Greens replace their kākāriki mayoral candidate next year? The Spinoff’s Wellington reporter, Joel MacManus, has penned a column suggesting that the Green Party needs to learn the same lesson that the US Democrats faced with President Joe Biden. Like the President, MacManus says Whanau has a “history of saying weird stuff and making unforced errors”, and so she probably needs to be retired.
MacManus also says that although Whanau “has terrible political instincts”, much of the criticism of her is “because she is a woman of colour”. It’s also true that much is made of Whanau’s title as a “wahine toa” – and she herself embraces that identity.
In an interview last month she said that she strongly feels the weight of her duty to pave the way for more Māori women to come into local government leadership roles, worrying that “If we don’t keep fighting for our place and fighting for representation, it’ll just get worse and worse over time”.
Whanau also says that she has paid a high price – especially by incurring bouts of depression – in order to help other wahine toa get to the top: “that’s just the price you have to pay for now, to ensure that we’re opening the spaces for other people”. In that interview, she explained that “local and central governments are incredibly colonised structures, set up to suit Pākehā” and that “It’s actually up to leaders like myself to create a better pathway for those behind us.”
That might all be true. Yet many Wellingtonians will identify her arguments as typically superficial-but-fashionable, capital-city managerial speak. In this sense, Whanau has been a genuine representative of the “professional managerial class” of senior public servants and consultants from the likes of Deloitte, PwC, KPMG and EY.
This has been Whanau real problem – she has been very disconnected from ordinary Wellingtonians, and has failed to comprehend the types of policies that they want to see from local government. Her elitist disconnect, is therefore perfectly encapsulated in her recent attempts to spin her financial hardship complaints.
In one of her interviews this last week she claimed to be the victim of “the privileged trying to stop progress”. But posing like this, is only likely to invite more disdain, especially from Wellingtonians that are truly suffering a financial plight at the moment.
In all of her campaigning and self-defence, Whanau always plays down her background as a top Beehive Chief of Staff and a lobbyist for one of the most powerful corporate government relations firms around. Yet when it comes to political leadership, her corporate lobbying skills are very much to the fore, and have clearly influenced her political direction as mayor – especially in her pursuit of corporate welfare deals and privatisation.
Perhaps if the Green Party wants to endorse a different kākāriki mayoral candidate next year, they should go for someone who isn’t from the lobbying Wellington beltway and instead choose someone with a better sense of what ordinary people want from local government.
Dr Bryce Edwards
Political Analyst in Residence, Director of the Democracy Project, School of Government, Victoria University of Wellington
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 26, 2024 13:33:38 GMT 12
Now there may be an entirely reasonable explanation due to coding of costs, but on the surface this sure does not look good www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/263000_of_mayoral_expenses.html#commentsThe WCC website lists the Mayoral expenses for the Mayor of Wellington. They state that there has been $263,369.31 of expenses for the Mayor since October 2022, which is a staggering amount. I do wonder if the WCC is including some stuff as Mayoral expenses that shouldn’t be there. They list $137,979.22 of Mayoral expenses for citizenship ceremonies. Is that just the Mayor’s expenses or the expenses for the entire ceremonies? There is also $73,174.06 for events hosted by the Mayor. If these are official Council events, they should not be listed as a Mayoral expense.
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