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Post by harrytom on Jan 16, 2024 17:24:08 GMT 12
not onnce or twice but 3 times,yep she has a problem and needs to be prosecuted. Mental health bullshit.Claims of being a racial target and death threats.Yeah not nice but how does that turn you in to a shoplifter?
Now I understand why those who shoplift from supermarkets feel,not worthy persons living on a benefit.
Hmm theme there. Benefit/mp both paid by you and I
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Jan 16, 2024 17:45:33 GMT 12
3 times in a month...
Just 3 times.. tui!
I was brought up in a Iranian death camp... Tui!
I didn't represent a Rwanda warlord and defend him against his genocidal crimes against humanity... Yes you did.
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GG needs to be deported for digracing NZ and Good NZ Iranians .
She has done nothing. For Kiwis. Just backed her lame minority idealistic lala crap.
She will leave NZ and start her cunty crap in another country.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 16, 2024 20:16:07 GMT 12
She will leave NZ and start her cunty crap in another country. I reckon she will want to stick around in NZ and try to resurrect her legal career. Remember she cannot practise law in another country without going thru years of re-training. Some speculation on my part - I think a deal has been done with the Greens for her to take the fall, as there appear to be unanswered questions in relation to Chloe and the mad mexican possibly being involved in her antics which they really do not want on top of this. In return the party will do all it can to white wash her thieving, schmoozing and/or pressuring the complainants to withdraw their complaints because she does not want to run the risk of being charged and convicted. If she has a criminal conviction will makes it harder to travel and much harder to re-register as a lawyer |
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Post by fish on Jan 16, 2024 20:38:25 GMT 12
She will leave NZ and start her cunty crap in another country. I reckon she will want to stick around in NZ and try to resurrect her legal career. Remember she cannot practise law in another country without going thru years of re-training. Some speculation on my part - I think a deal has been done with the Greens for her to take the fall, as there appear to be unanswered questions in relation to Chloe and the mad mexican possibly being involved in her antics which they really do not want on top of this. In return the party will do all it can to white wash her thieving, schmoozing and/or pressuring the complainants to withdraw their complaints because she does not want to run the risk of being charged and convicted. If she has a criminal conviction will makes it harder to travel and much harder to re-register as a lawyer Question on convictions and 'withdrawing the complaint'. If there is a substantial public interest element, and I think it is clear a sitting MP thieving qualifies as significant public interest, once the Police are aware of details, does it matter if the victims want a prosecution or not? As in, a crime has been committed (or alleged, pending proof in a Court of Law etc), AND there is a substantial public interest element, would the Police be expected to follow through with an investigation and prosecution where appropriate? You have already pointed out the substantial pressure on the victims to withdraw their complaint. I would hope it is out of the victims hands now, so as to avoid political pressure, fear or favour. And on the Chloe and the Mad Mexican angle, I doubt a deal of any substance has been done, she had no wriggle room, especially as the video footage is out. What does not make any sense to me (although is perfectly normal Greens internal processes) is she wasn't sacked the minute the leaders found out, back on the 27th Dec. I suspect if Chloe or the Mad Mexican is involved the Party will be doing all they can to keep a lid on it. But I suspect details will be leaked out all in good time. To coincide with the story dropping out of the news cycle, or some other suitable point in time. I heard a MSM article suggesting the Mad Mexican was involved in Welly. He isn't that popular within the Greens as far as I can tell. Chloe is friggin royalty though, and has been polling in the preferred PM polls, when no other Greens ever have. I would expect Shaw at the least and possibly even Davidson to sacrifice themselves to protect Dear Chloe's brand. Shaw has to be due for retirement soon anyway, but Dear Chloe is the future of the party. PS asked my Green Party member and ex candidate mate if he was still a member today. He said yes, definitely, "have to vote the crazies down the list". (all Green members get to vote on the party list rankings, and anything else of importance to the Party, very communist). He can't stand the Mad Mexican, thinks he is corrupt, has said so in very aggressive terms. I did pull him up on who isn't crazy, and the could only list Shaw, Julie-Anne Genter, some guy I haven't heard of and the one replacing GG, Celia Wade-Brown, ironically ex green Mayor of Wellington. I think his judgement is fairly bad, but that doesn't stop him being a good mate. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 16, 2024 21:10:55 GMT 12
from KiwiBlog (my underlining) www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/01/the_most_uncontrite_resignation_ever.htmlThe most uncontrite resignation ever
the press conference by the Green co-leaders over the resignation of Golriz Ghahraman for alleged shoplifting was incredibly tone deaf. You would have thought that Ghahraman was the victim, rather than the actual victims.
Trying to excuse what happened as being due to stress from the job is insulting to all the people who are also very stressed but don't shoplift.
Yes it seems bizarre that someone who is in the top 1% of income earners would shoplift, but that doesn't make it less worse. And the value of the items allegedly stolen were high enough to be difficult for even someone on an MPs salary to afford.
It is not as if this was a one off moment of madness. There were (at least) three incidents. How many more were there? A truly contrite person would actually apologise to the victims.
The resignation was stated to be the best thing for Ghahraman's mental health. That isn't why she should resign. The resignation should have been about the fact you can't be an MP and commit serious crimes. Both her statement and the co-leaders statements made it all about her, rather than the victims and the importance of MPs not to repeatedly break the law.
Golriz, like all of us, is imperfect. Few of us never stuff up, do something we regret etc. You shouldn't judge people by the worst thing they have done, but by their overall contribution. But when you do stuff up, you should be contrite. |
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Post by eri on Jan 17, 2024 7:29:13 GMT 12
there are 2 parts here
gg's response and the greens
1 - the greens are all about addressing power-imbalances
there can hardly be any greater power-imbalance between a sitting MP and a shop
and yet gg doesn't appear to have apologised to them for stealing?...she's apologized to the greens, to nz but not to the most harmed? so she's baking in the power imbalance where she doesn't need to apologise to the little people she stole from
she's thanked scotties for respecting her privacy and not prosecuting her, which is a very big thing and deserves A LOT of thanks....but i'm not sure she's said sorry
probably the lawyer in her worries that apologising for theft is admitting it.......and she's still desperately trying to avoid the usual consequences for repeated theft of >$1000 items
and how does "somebody said something horrible to me in 2018 so in 2023 i stole something expensive from you" work???..what's that all about?
if a man beats his wife because he was beaten as a child, does that mean he can avoid the consequences of being a violent thug?
he doesn't need to admit it, doesn't need to even apologise to his wife? .... of course not..that's the very start of the process, not some glib afterthought......."i'm not really sorry i stole from you you i'm not really apologising, they're making me do it"
so this isn't over at all, she's out of job she wasn't suited for, but she's still got a long way to go before she can put this behind her and act like normal person, worthy of normal respect
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2 - the greens were alerted to this the day before she left the country, presumably they called her straight away but she refused to fess'up, and jetted off, flipping the bird at the party and country
so they let her burn the green brand for 2 weeks while they sat on their hands saying that normal communications methods weren't a good way to deal with this
she still hasn't confessed, she's in denial and the greens are in denial
utu isn't justice and has no place in nz's future, if you want to go after death threats go ahead, go after them hard!....don't use it as an explanation for your own criminality against someone else!
helen clarke did everything she could to keep the loonie greens out of gov. and we can see why
no ability to handle a crisis and no ability to take responsibility
like the maori party
all they want to do is sit on the sidelines shouting abuse and criticism.....seemingly actually believing they have the moral high ground
while refusing to demand that their people uphold any kind of responsibility for crime
in a few years both these clowns will probably both be in some sort of coalition gov. with waste and tax labour
i have that time to get my capital beyond their greed + waste
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 17, 2024 8:07:10 GMT 12
Cam Slater's opinion piece this morning thebfd.co.nz/2024/01/17/the-golriz-saga/excerpts At first the news leaked out via X (formerly Twitter) and on Marc Spring’s website. It was very quickly picked up by Philip Crump at NewstalkZB Plus and the rest is history. Make no mistake, it was Marc Spring who broke this news and hunted down and published key revelations often hours before the mainstream media, who were slow on the uptake and forever playing catch up.You keep piling on the pressure, and the facts, little by little. Golriz Ghahraman played this like a chimp on a set of drums: badly. Her silence let the leakers fill the void.
The Greens’ leadership also didn’t help. Marama Davidson let the cat out of the bag with some injudicious comments about the process they went through for their strategy. She stupidly said that they remained quiet while they worked out their “plan of attack”. That reveals that the Greens actually planned to fight this.
But that all came to nothing, as Golriz’s absence buried her under a mountain of fact, photos, statements and a fair bit of innuendo. In the end, that mountain, after a week of building, was too insurmountable and she was forced to resign from Parliament.
I can’t wait for the Greens to recover from their shell shock and start their Green stormtroopers attacking on X and suggesting all manner of people responsible for the downfall of their darling, from me and dirty politics to the people they really suspect, the Israelis and Mossad. Don’t worry, it won’t take long for those accusations to be made.
They will, of course, never for one minute blame the actual person responsible: the light-fingered Golriz Ghahraman.And the leadership of the Greens needs to be looked at. The timeline of events is not helpful for them and neither are more injudicious statements by Marama Davidson about an un-named Green “representative” who went and negotiated with Scotties. My understanding from good sources is that that “representative” tried to get Scotties to not go to the Police.
And Ian Wishart has dropped that particular bomb.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 17, 2024 8:12:39 GMT 12
and this was written in the comments in the BFD this morning, spot on!
So the mental health card is pulled again to justify spoiled misbehaviour, with one predictably foolish Green MP even suggesting that women of colour are more vulnerable.
If only media had insight to realize that this sort of thinking ought to be shelved as a misogynist slur from the bad old Patriarchy, when men had to be responsible but women were flighty creatures needing rescue from their silliness and hysteria. Apart from the Green Party and NZ media, this sort of misogyny usually only survives in the sorts of awful despotic regimes that the Ghahramans fled. But I digress.
Many here now expect the media to conduct soft gushy interviews, focusing on a wondrous career sabotaged by self-asserted mental illness that brings all the wonderfulness to an end, to Aotearoa's eternal regret.
But no. Media will want to demonstrate that they are neither sexist, nor racist, nor inclined to indulge and gush over leftist heroines while viciously attacking cis white men. This won't be the first time a politician was affected by mental health: many here will recall Tova's 2020 interview of Jamie-Lee Ross after his catastrophic fall from grace, including hospitalization after real-life psychiatrists were concerned about his mental health.
Tova did not gush over his career, or go all syrupy about mental health. She pursued him hard, cutting his explanations short with gems like "You know exactly what you were doing; you were whipping up fear and hysteria among vulnerable communities" before cutting him off when he tried to discuss Covid statistics: "No no no, I do not want to hear any of that rubbish." When he explained why he stepped down for political reasons, she retorted "You're dreaming, mate." No allowance was made for mental illness in an openly disdainful interview.
Tova's performance was applauded rapturously by other media, with journalists like Glenn Greenwald tweeting that it was an absolute masterclass and "one of the best interviews of a politician I've seen."
So Ghahraman needs to brace herself for a torrid time from the fiercely non-partisan mainstream media... or does she? Will she be told "You know exactly what you were doing: you were risking viability of a hard working business by stealing expensive goods to promote your own selfish vanity" followed by "No no no, I do not want to hear any of that rubbish" at any suggestion of diminished culpability.
But of course we all expect that her treatment will be very different from Jamie-Lee's. At least the patriarchy had a consistent (though demeaning) rationalization for this sort of partisanship, whereas the woke today clearly lack the intellect to perceive the far worse double-standards they exhibit every day, to mutual back-slapping and applause.
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Post by muzled on Jan 17, 2024 8:44:12 GMT 12
And Ian Wishart has dropped that particular bomb.
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That is the real scandal! Is that CS though? She has a tat on her right forearm which might or might not be visible in those particular pics, but it looks like it should be partially visable in that first shot. /?paipv=0&eav=AfbYBIC4_A7vu6nCjpg0n46BrXwA2rEoUzFCaqKLCjo3iBoTnTUztfQVDKnP849wA9I&_rdr |
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Post by muzled on Jan 17, 2024 9:40:54 GMT 12
Leftwing nutjobs just can't help themselves.
#poorme
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 17, 2024 12:47:42 GMT 12
Come on guys, it was us the taxpayers of NZ, as employers of all the politicians and public servants in NZ are at fault not the poor elected MP's, we should have in place a proper Health and Safety policy that looks after the mental state of our employees.  But we should also have a proper psychiatric assessment done on all existing and bunning politicians to see if they can handle the demanding stress of run a country. Do big business let anyone run they companies without the necessary skills and mental state? |
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Post by eri on Jan 17, 2024 13:24:39 GMT 12
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 17, 2024 16:44:11 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Jan 17, 2024 19:16:19 GMT 12
so the criminal lawyer gets her day in court on 2 counts of shoplifting in auckland "Charges have been laid against former Green MP Golriz Ghahraman over shoplifting allegations, police confirmed on Wednesday afternoon.
"Police can advise charges have been laid as part of an investigation into shoplifting reports that are subject to ongoing public interest," a spokesperson said.
"These charges relate to incidents at a Ponsonby retailer that allegedly occurred on December 21 and 23, 2023."
Police said a 43-year-old woman has been charged with two counts of shoplifting and is due to appear at Auckland District Court on February 1."
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/police-still-investigating-former-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-s-alleged-shoplifting-no-charges-laid.htmlwill she represent herself, have a public defender or KC?bet the public gallery will be chocka wonder what's happening to the wellington complaint from october...wellington plod not up to speed? a few years ago was walking along waterloo quadrant in aucklandand went past jamie lee-ross on his way to the high-court at the end of the roadhe had a very public mental health issue but the journos and courts still went after him for his poor behaviour |
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Post by Fogg on Jan 17, 2024 19:31:39 GMT 12
As usual, I like to step back and taking a slightly less breathless & sensationalist view than the masses…
Remembering, as most of you well know, I’m far from a Greens supporter. In fact mostly a vehement opposer.
Also, I don’t know GG. Never met her. Watched her in action a few times and she appeared no better or worse than any of the rest of them across all sides.
So. I see she’s now been charged. Which means the proper process is now being followed.
It also sounds - from early indications of statements from the Greens & GG camp - that there’s a good chance she is guilty and knows it. And I wouldn’t be surprised if she pleads guilty on the day.
Where does that leave me? A bit sad actually. Like I said, I’ve never met GG and have no connection at all. She’s obviously done something very stupid and has been caught. And she looks likely to continue paying the consequences - which have already started well in advance of any verdict, by the way .
I once committed the crime of drink-driving (in the UK) and the consequences were pretty awful. Even for a private citizen like me, let alone a public figure. And yes it caused me huge stress at the time. I was old enough to know better but young enough to learn my lesson. Which I did.
So. I understand the sensationalist interest in all of this but at the end of the day it’s just another person in NZ caught shoplifting. And it looks likely nature will run its course and justice will be done.
In which case, I’m ready to move on.
Because I really don’t think NZ as a country is going to progress any faster in the world by obsessing over the minutiae of a trivial event, and the right vs wrong reactions of the Green party leaders. I don’t like Shaw or the other one. But I don’t care - nor does the wider world - whether they played a perfect or imperfect game of crisis management around this affair.
Time to move on, NZ, and focus on the bigger picture (if you remember what that is)…
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