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The Noises
Sept 2, 2023 21:47:42 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Sept 2, 2023 21:47:42 GMT 12
I haven’t washed my Land Rover for about 4 yrs.
I discovered the concept of ‘terminal dirtiness’ which a silver car achieves in about 3 months. After that it stays about the same give or take the odd rain shower.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 3, 2023 8:48:40 GMT 12
Silver is the only way to go, I have had silver cars since 2004.
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Post by GO30 on Sept 3, 2023 9:48:07 GMT 12
I’m in favour of converting the entire Hauraki Gulf into a protected marine park ie no taking at all. And see what happens after 2-3 yrs to the entire ecosystem. Anyone who wants to fish can relocate. And enforce it rigorously via big fines. I expect I’m a lonely voice but I feel strongly enough about it that’s what I would do if I was ‘King for a Day’. I'd be there with you on that.
But then I could walk into Seamart with a hand grenade and still not get a fish so no lose to me. Out of site of land and I'm a demon, no ieda why or how that works though.
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Post by GO30 on Sept 3, 2023 9:56:00 GMT 12
Why wash the car at all? If you own a car worth washing, you are the problem. It's just consumption.
I subscribe to Foggs car washing theory, I just don't. Doing so much gravel road does make the ute a tad messy though so luckily I don't give a ..... I have noticed when it's raining and due to my tendency to drive at speed she gets a natural clean now and again.
I did a Ducati Ride As One day last year. All the Ducati clubs worldwide went for a ride on the same day, all supported by Ducati themselves. Auckland was the 1st in the world to go, Welly and Chch an hour later. 100 odd bikes lined up down as Shoal Bay for the photographs. 99 odd pristine super flash highly polished Ducatis....and 1 mud covered dirty as fuck Mutlistrada, mine  |
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 11:00:13 GMT 12
I find the pine pollen really shows up on my silver Honda Hybrid. I know I've washed it at least once since owning it, but can't remember how long I've owned it for. Possibly since 2013... Anyway, back to the topic, From the Gulf User's Group: In a flurry of activity before this term is up, the Government has recently advanced two significant developments concerning the Hauraki Gulf - the approval of a Hauraki Gulf Fisheries Plan and the introduction of the Hauraki Gulf/Tikapa Moana Marine Protection Bill, both of which I believe warrant concern. Our campaign to retain democratic control of the Gulf has taken a significant blow under the approved Hauraki Gulf Fisheries Plan, which the government has now taken steps to implement. Under the Plan, fisheries are now to be managed under what is effectively a co-governance arrangement between Māori and the Crown. The general public are largely excluded from the process. For more details see ‘Hauraki Gulf fisheries under new management’ Under the current Labour government, it appears that democracy, accountability and the rights of ordinary citizens count for much less than they used to. As we approach the upcoming elections, I asked the main parties for their stance on the concept of co-governance of the Hauraki Gulf. Please see our article ‘Where the main parties stand on co-governance of the Hauraki Gulf’ for their responses which may influence your vote in what I see as a particularly crucial election. The new Hauraki Gulf/Tikapa Moana Marine Protection Bill, introduced to the House last week, creates 19 new marine protection areas, tripling the amount of marine protection in the Gulf to 18 per cent, which on the face of it sounds like promising news for the revitalisation the Gulf. However, the gold standard for marine protection – marine reserves created under the Marine Reserves Act 1971 - are only a minor part of this proposal. Instead, the bill introduces a new category of protection called ‘High Protection Areas’, notable for including built-in rights for Māori customary fishing practices. Such continued exploitation flies in the face of the proven benefits of no-take marine protection, thereby undermining the credibility of the stated goal of the ‘Revitalising the Gulf’ initiative. More details on this proposal are available at ‘The Government's Hauraki Gulf 'protection' plan’ A further measure to protect the Hauraki Gulf is a plan to restrict bottom trawling. Under the proposal, nearly nine-tenths of the Gulf would be free from bottom trawling, with the activity confined to defined ‘bottom fishing access zones’. The size and placement of these zones are now open for public consultation. Despite public feedback, the option to completely ban bottom trawling from the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park is not offered as an alternative. We have until 6 November to have a say. More details on this proposal are available at ‘Bottom-trawling ban for most of Hauraki Gulf’ Also, see below information on a new aquaculture proposal for the Firth of Thames. Before the aquaculture decision is made, Fisheries New Zealand is seeking information from fishers on how the proposed aquaculture activities may affect their fishing. Submissions are invited from people whose customary, recreational, or commercial fishing may be affected by the proposed marine farm. We have until 5 pm on 12 September to have a say. More details on this proposal are available at: ‘New aquaculture proposal in the Firth of Thames’ Notices Upcoming Hauraki Gulf Forum meeting The next Forum meeting is to be held on Monday 11 September, beginning at 1 pm. The venue is Thames Coromandel District Council, 515 MacKay St, Thames. The public are welcome to attend. As of writing, the agenda is not yet publicly available. Closer to the time, it will be posted here: infocouncil.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/State of the Gulf Report 2023 Every three years the Hauraki Gulf Forum produces a report on the state of the Hauraki Gulf environment. The 2023 edition is now available at: gulfjournal.org.nz/state-of-the-gulf/As always, thank you for your ongoing interest and support – and please help us spread the message by sharing this newsletter with anyone you think would be interested. If you have any questions, please contact me at: admin@gulfusers.org.nz Lee Short Spokesperson Gulf Users’ Group |
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 11:05:30 GMT 12
Where the main parties stand on co-governance of the Hauraki Gulf SEPTEMBER 1, 2023 GULF USERS' GROUP Many of us are opposed to the co-governance of the Hauraki Gulf and believe that decisions relating to the Gulf must be fair, transparent, and democratic, with all decision-makers accountable to the public. This being so, we asked the main political parties about their stance on co-governance of the Gulf. Please see their responses below (listed alphabetically): ACT “The Government’s plan to roll out more fishing reserves will be welcomed by some, but it shouldn’t be used to smuggle in a co-governance agenda,” says ACT Leader David Seymour. “Revitalising the Gulf is the latest example of the Government’s drive to give power to people based on who their grandparents were through co-governance. “A fishing reserve is not a cultural construct, it’s just a place where fishing is banned to give fish a chance. There is no need for special Māori knowledge. We can all see that if you stop catching fish in certain areas there will be more of them. “Not only is co-management unnecessary, it is divisive. It can only mean that some people will get a greater say, and perhaps greater rights according to who their grandparents were. “There is no doubt there will be a rahui here and a customary catch there, meaning reserves are not created equal for all people. “Fish don’t do race. The protection of the Hauraki Gulf should be based on good science to maximise fishing opportunities for all New Zealanders. “ACT supports marine reserves, but allowing some Māori to customary take in a fishing reserve makes the policy more about race than fishing.” Green Party Thanks for getting in touch regarding co-governance of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park. Currently, the Green Party’s main focus is to restore the health of the Gulf by banning the most ecologically harmful and destructive commercial fishing practices such as bottom trawling and dredging. We don’t currently have any policy relating specifically to co-governance for the marine park, and believe the priority right now is to ensure that the gulf can have its health restored. That said, the Green Party is a Te Tiriti based party which advocates for the upholding of Tino Rangatiratanga for tangata whenua. Going forward, we would like to see more focus on kaitiakitanga and co-governance of natural resources for iwi and hapū, recognising their unique relationships with our natural environment and the important contribution that matauranga Maori can make. The Hauraki Forum has for several years had co-chairs one being a tangata whenua representative and one a council representative. That has strengthened the way the Forum has operated. Having a strong te Ao Māori perspective in governance enriches our management of nature and ways of working together. Labour Co-governance arrangements are a form of partnership with groups of special standing or expertise. They are about governments working together with communities, experts or other partners to provide direction over a sphere of shared interest to achieve better outcomes. They have taken many forms and have been used to get the best outcomes for our land, resources and for our communities. Co-governance is a way for us to come together for a collective goal. The relationship between Māori and the Crown continues to evolve and strengthen, and this means we’ll continue to be called on to give effect to Treaty obligations and shared outcomes that we are seeking to achieve as a nation. National We are not releasing our Hauraki Gulf policy at this stage. That will come closer to the election. New Zealand First In 2005 New Zealand First, from opposition, presented the policy solution to the then Helen Clark led Labour government in the form of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, which arose from the Marlborough case presided over by Judge Hingston. Sadly, the John Key National led government repealed that legislation, in favour of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 - a disastrous change which has led to hundreds of claims for the coastline of New Zealand and indeed the development of the subject of your email to me. We are against co-governance, and we will do all in our power to repeal the 2011 legislation and restore the 2005 legislation. This country has become the victim of a separatist political agenda, sadly subscribed to by a number of political parties with an appalling understanding of our history and constitutional construct. Which means that New Zealand has reached an inflection point where, if these matters are not immediately resolved after the 2023 election, the downward spiral of this country with two standards of citizenship, will be a continuing inevitability. Te Pāti Māori/ Māori Party No reply, even after three requests for a response. www.gulfusers.org.nz/media-releases/where-the-main-parties-stand-on-co-governance-of-the-hauraki-gulf |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 12:24:44 GMT 12
I believe Waikato council have asked for submission as to control of the fore shore/seabed within the jurisdiction.
Yes there is a prosal to put fish farms in the firth,not holding pens but breeding pens.
Reserves are a band aid as fish dont recognise boundaries.
As Fogg said lock it shut for all 3yrs,no exceptions. Will it affect me Yes but price of fuel comms caught fish is cheap,whats a leg of lamb $50 might feed 3,$44kg snapper feed 4 $50 maccas still hungry.
Claim of locking off will put pressure on other areas,maybe short term,Rahui has no legal standing unless backed by MPI
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 13:23:44 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 13:39:29 GMT 12
I believe Waikato council have asked for submission as to control of the fore shore/seabed within the jurisdiction. Yes there is a prosal to put fish farms in the firth,not holding pens but breeding pens. Reserves are a band aid as fish dont recognise boundaries. As Fogg said lock it shut for all 3yrs,no exceptions. Will it affect me Yes but price of fuel comms caught fish is cheap,whats a leg of lamb $50 might feed 3,$44kg snapper feed 4 $50 maccas still hungry. Claim of locking off will put pressure on other areas,maybe short term,Rahui has no legal standing unless backed by MPI I just put down a slow cooker Sunday stew / casserole. 3.6kg rump from paknsave at $12.99/kg. I've kept the rump cap for steak, which are surprisingly good. Should be a comfortable 6 family meals out of it, costing about $7.80 per family meal. This whole concept that $44/kg protein is somehow affordable or commonly eaten is fascinating. That and comparing it to maccas. I would have thought a large proportion of people are doing corn fritters for the family. $3 can of corn, re-mortgage the house for the 2 eggs that go in it... And if you are too thick to know how to cook, toasted sandwiches with ham and cheese (which are also luxuries, or at least premium in a lot of households). While there are a fair proportion of fisho's with $1/4mill boats, $20k of electronics and burn $1k of petrol getting to workups at Little Barrier, there is an equal portion of people that fish very modestly for protein. I've seen plenty of people catching pipe for food, and aji / mackerel, not to mention the people's fish, kahawai. Admittedly my cost of meal doesn't account for the half bottle of (very cheap) red wine I put in it to jizz it up a bit. All I need to do now is work out how to make a half descent gluten free pastry, and it will be steak pies with red wine and cracked pepper, along with smoked fish pies. Load up the freezer and I've got the ultimate in mid-week ready-meals. PS, I normally fish in 5-10m of water, and don't fish in deeper than 16-17m, so I don't think the barotrauma release is an issue. But that is cause I fish inshore. I don't have a $1/4mil boat to boost to The Mokes for deep drops... |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 13:54:47 GMT 12
You would be surprised at what people order at maccas. Yes I deliver to them and spend a lot of time at drive thru speaker boxes.Mostly beneficheries,how do I know I dont but car/people kind of gives it away on Tuesday/Thursday $80 average order
Yes I have a smoker going now with a pork belly in it $30 for belly and $20 charcoal its my hobby no big deal 8hrs cook time,lawns done garden sorted and a rum in between
Am I worried about cast genetics or what ever its called no,not at all after smoking for 40 odd yrs damage done but stopped 2 yrs ago.
Releasing fish under size,have had plenty swim away to see them 20minutes on the surface and a shag swoop down and take them waste?perhaps no size limit and land all catch,we are calling comms to do that so why reccs?
I wont fish on my nephews boat anymore,we had a serious punch up 4 weeks ago,almost limit and bigger fish arrived,he started splitting snapper so they would sink.fucken trophy hunter. I take it if its legal why waste it,fillet head/back bone utilise in a broth.
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 14:26:34 GMT 12
You would be surprised at what people order at maccas. Yes I deliver to them and spend a lot of time at drive thru speaker boxes.Mostly beneficheries,how do I know I dont but car/people kind of gives it away on Tuesday/Thursday $80 average order Yes I have a smoker going now with a pork belly in it $30 for belly and $20 charcoal its my hobby no big deal 8hrs cook time,lawns done garden sorted and a rum in between Am I worried about cast genetics or what ever its called no,not at all after smoking for 40 odd yrs damage done but stopped 2 yrs ago. Releasing fish under size,have had plenty swim away to see them 20minutes on the surface and a shag swoop down and take them waste?perhaps no size limit and land all catch,we are calling comms to do that so why reccs? I wont fish on my nephews boat anymore,we had a serious punch up 4 weeks ago,almost limit and bigger fish arrived,he started splitting snapper so they would sink.fucken trophy hunter. I take it if its legal why waste it,fillet head/back bone utilise in a broth. We should start a separate thread about smoking meat. I smoked my 3 kahawai yesterday, but it's super average. Just salt & brown sugar rubbed on, budget Warehouse smoker. Not getting enough smoke, and I always get woodchips flicked onto the fillets. Either I'm not putting enough woodchips on, or the tinfoil I sit them on (for easy cleaning) is stopping the heat. Still, had smoked kahawai for dinner last night, and am investigating my own pastry to make a smoked fish pie this afternoon. I'm thinking about modifying an old gas BBQ and getting a bit more sophisticated with my smoking. The inlaws are always doing briskets and the like, I have a tad of envy around it. When I was in Rotorua last weekend I noted the apparently high proportion of incredibly obese people. I also saw that KFC does home delivery. Noting Fogg's thread on UPF's, I think there is very low nutritional value in a lot of takeaways, and if people don't know how to cook quick, simple, cheap and nourishing food, they will get takeaways and get very fat on calories without any nutrition. And I'd imagine $80 for a family meal isn't far off. Shocking really. |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 14:36:27 GMT 12
www.bunnings.co.nz/jumbuck-3-in-1-barrel-charcoal-smoker-bbq_p0087528 can get a simular one at the warehouse for $70/80 thats all I have,the portable meth tray burner I found,drill 2 or 3 1/8 holes the lid and put a brick on the lid,stops it moving,i dont use manukau,rather apple wood charcoal by kings ford or jumpjacks from new world. A ky smoked eaten straight off the grill excellent or a white sauce allowed to simmer in it,plenty of fish that were once considered bait/pet food are bloody good,even the old hoki is versatile Hoki Laksa Ingredients: 1 x 425g box Sealord Natural Frozen Hoki Fillets (thawed as per instructions) 1 Tbsp oil 4 Tbsp laksa paste 1L chicken stock 1 Tbsp brown sugar 2 Tbsp fish sauce Pinch of chilli flakes 250ml coconut cream 2 cups pumpkin, cubed ½ broccoli, diced 250g noodles, cooked as per instructions Mint, coriander, sliced spring onion, lime wedge to garnish 1 cup prawns (optional) Method: Place the oil into a large pot and warm. Add the laksa paste, cook for 2 minutes and allow to become aromatic. Add the stock, sugar, fish sauce, chilli flakes and coconut cream. Bring to a simmer then add the pumpkin and cook for 8 minutes to soften. Just before serving add the broccoli, prawns (optional) and Sealord Hoki fillets. Cook gently so the fish doesn’t break into pieces. Place hot noodles into 4 bowls. Ladle over the laksa vegetables and place a piece of fish on top. Garnish generously with mint, coriander, spring onions and a lime wedge.
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 14:42:34 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Sept 3, 2023 17:30:34 GMT 12
You would be surprised at what people order at maccas. Yes I deliver to them and spend a lot of time at drive thru speaker boxes.Mostly beneficheries,how do I know I dont but car/people kind of gives it away on Tuesday/Thursday $80 average order Yes I have a smoker going now with a pork belly in it $30 for belly and $20 charcoal its my hobby no big deal 8hrs cook time,lawns done garden sorted and a rum in between Am I worried about cast genetics or what ever its called no,not at all after smoking for 40 odd yrs damage done but stopped 2 yrs ago. Releasing fish under size,have had plenty swim away to see them 20minutes on the surface and a shag swoop down and take them waste?perhaps no size limit and land all catch,we are calling comms to do that so why reccs? I wont fish on my nephews boat anymore,we had a serious punch up 4 weeks ago,almost limit and bigger fish arrived,he started splitting snapper so they would sink.fucken trophy hunter. I take it if its legal why waste it,fillet head/back bone utilise in a broth. We should start a separate thread about smoking meat. I smoked my 3 kahawai yesterday, but it's super average. Just salt & brown sugar rubbed on, budget Warehouse smoker. Not getting enough smoke, and I always get woodchips flicked onto the fillets. Either I'm not putting enough woodchips on, or the tinfoil I sit them on (for easy cleaning) is stopping the heat. Still, had smoked kahawai for dinner last night, and am investigating my own pastry to make a smoked fish pie this afternoon. I'm thinking about modifying an old gas BBQ and getting a bit more sophisticated with my smoking. The inlaws are always doing briskets and the like, I have a tad of envy around it. When I was in Rotorua last weekend I noted the apparently high proportion of incredibly obese people. I also saw that KFC does home delivery. Noting Fogg's thread on UPF's, I think there is very low nutritional value in a lot of takeaways, and if people don't know how to cook quick, simple, cheap and nourishing food, they will get takeaways and get very fat on calories without any nutrition. And I'd imagine $80 for a family meal isn't far off. Shocking really. |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 3, 2023 19:58:39 GMT 12
New slow cooking thread has been started over on the other side.
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