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Post by em on Sept 22, 2022 7:16:44 GMT 12
All this sale of land is a one off hit for Council. Where's the next stockpile to plunder to balance the books? And where's the major cost ? Staff are featuring right up there. So the writing's on the wall. Auckland is financially and socially stuffed for ordinary human beings. The elite will be OK until there's no one left to pay their salaries. And the going up instead of out social engineering will also create social problems for many. Yes ,some like it. But if the money go round stops ...what then ? You could argue that about any other major city like Sydney for example . The rich become incredibly rich the boats get fuckin massive or very very expensive round the cans racers . The houses are in the mega million bracket ….people just stay for whatever reason ? Maybe some of you guys can shed light on why peeps continue to hang in there ? I’m from there but bailed in my early 20s and damn it felt good 😊 |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 22, 2022 12:48:51 GMT 12
I know what you are on about. As asset rich cash poor the reason we stay put is family /friends. But its increasingly hard for us. Our standard of living which I describe as comfortably numb is hanging on,increasingly by our fingers and toes as the bureaucrats attack our lower middle class existence. IMO the plot is to disenfranchise the middle 80% and hand it to the bottom 10%. The top 10% are much harder to get at.
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Post by GO30 on Sept 23, 2022 10:42:16 GMT 12
You could argue that about any other major city like Sydney for example . The rich become incredibly rich the boats get fuckin massive or very very expensive round the cans racers . The houses are in the mega million bracket ….people just stay for whatever reason ? Maybe some of you guys can shed light on why peeps continue to hang in there ? I’m from there but bailed in my early 20s and damn it felt good 😊 Cities are cities and vary only a little in the shape of their monuments and attractions, the language spoken and the currency designator used.
In one year just prior to covid I was in the capital cities of NZ (auckland), Mongolia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Scotland and did a flyby of Miami.
All had traffic issues, All had inequality issues, All had housing issues, All had not enough money to even get close to fixing them.
Why peeps hang in Auckland? I'd say a vast number are trapped by work or money. There are many who want to bail but know once they do coming back is unlikely due to costs. Some stuck here due to work (waves hand). Also many like the variety Auckland has got that the rest of the country doesn't. I do know a lot who would bail out of Akl tomorrow if they had the option, a lot of whom I'd say could tomorrow but face a fear base barrier of some type.
Asset rich cash poor is a issue many boomers have and it is a big issue. I'm not too sure how many can deal with that. Selling the house is a easy go too but many houses have strong emotional bonds which makes selling hard or in some cases there is a fear that if a senior sold their place their kids will try to stick them into one of the old person battery farming facilities that Ryman et al are building at serious pace.
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Post by El Toro on Oct 4, 2022 12:40:15 GMT 12
RAYC pushed members to submit to close it as well... very disappointing
They are now going after OBC
Appears to be push from the council to force people off the water in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2022 9:41:33 GMT 12
You could argue that about any other major city like Sydney for example . The rich become incredibly rich the boats get fuckin massive or very very expensive round the cans racers . The houses are in the mega million bracket ….people just stay for whatever reason ? Maybe some of you guys can shed light on why peeps continue to hang in there ? I’m from there but bailed in my early 20s and damn it felt good 😊 Cities are cities and vary only a little in the shape of their monuments and attractions, the language spoken and the currency designator used.
In one year just prior to covid I was in the capital cities of NZ (auckland), Mongolia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Scotland and did a flyby of Miami.
All had traffic issues, All had inequality issues, All had housing issues, All had not enough money to even get close to fixing them.
Why peeps hang in Auckland? I'd say a vast number are trapped by work or money. There are many who want to bail but know once they do coming back is unlikely due to costs. Some stuck here due to work (waves hand). Also many like the variety Auckland has got that the rest of the country doesn't. I do know a lot who would bail out of Akl tomorrow if they had the option, a lot of whom I'd say could tomorrow but face a fear base barrier of some type.
Asset rich cash poor is a issue many boomers have and it is a big issue. I'm not too sure how many can deal with that. Selling the house is a easy go too but many houses have strong emotional bonds which makes selling hard or in some cases there is a fear that if a senior sold their place their kids will try to stick them into one of the old person battery farming facilities that Ryman et al are building at serious pace.
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Post by GO30 on Oct 15, 2022 10:04:57 GMT 12
asset ( house) rich is now losing value daily thanks to the Stalinda/ Orr Factor. Only for those trading them which is the minority.
Also speak to RE agents and you'll find the media, and I know this may come as a shock, aren't that accurate. Many are still getting records for many to most places selling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 10:29:54 GMT 12
asset ( house) rich is now losing value daily thanks to the Stalinda/ Orr Factor. Only for those trading them which is the minority.
Also speak to RE agents and you'll find the media, and I know this may come as a shock, aren't that accurate. Many are still getting records for many to most places selling.
or having to move... |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 15, 2022 12:05:43 GMT 12
Too true.
I wonder how this hardstand call will go now after the election?
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Post by fish on Oct 15, 2022 12:18:38 GMT 12
Too true. I wonder how this hardstand call will go now after the election? I'm hoping it stays. There was an article of stuffed this morning about abandoned boats around the country. People need facilities to maintain these boats in a cost effective manner. That, and the govt keep on going on about biosecurity or something, spreading of marine organisms. Weiti has just more than doubled the cost of the hardstand. Used to charge by the week, now charge by the day. Haulout cost increased by a quarter. While the performance of coppercoat isn't ideal, I'm now more pleased I re-applied it instead of going to an annual antifoul paint. Given we have to wait for the right tides to haul out and re-launch, it will be cheaper to do a quick antifoul at Gulf Harbour now. I see me on a committee in my future, this is all BS. |
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Post by em on Oct 15, 2022 13:33:33 GMT 12
Too true. I wonder how this hardstand call will go now after the election? I'm hoping it stays. There was an article of stuffed this morning about abandoned boats around the country. People need facilities to maintain these boats in a cost effective manner. That, and the govt keep on going on about biosecurity or something, spreading of marine organisms. Weiti has just more than doubled the cost of the hardstand. Used to charge by the week, now charge by the day. Haulout cost increased by a quarter. While the performance of coppercoat isn't ideal, I'm now more pleased I re-applied it instead of going to an annual antifoul paint. Given we have to wait for the right tides to haul out and re-launch, it will be cheaper to do a quick antifoul at Gulf Harbour now. I see me on a committee in my future, this is all BS. Just did a round of price increases across the board at our yacht club at the committee meeting on Tuesday . Nobody wanted to but the club is losing money with the cost of everything going up . By all means get on the committee fish and you will see that it’s all not dark arts and voodoo like many people to perceive it to be 😂 |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 15, 2022 15:30:19 GMT 12
Same here, ours hiked some costs a bit, I opposed it but as I'm now just a mushroom after being Top Dolphin for a few years I got over ridden.
Westhaven is also going up and up and up with zero signs it will stop. They say its to pay for the place but its been paid for many times over now.
Mr Fish. Can I suggest you don't bitch too much about the hardstand and think yourself lucky you have one. For the 2500 boats in Westhaven, Bayswater, Orakei we have Orams, the Aussie mob the council/government gave a huge chuck of ratepayers land too a few years back. They have a 300t travel lift and offices flasher than the Hiltons penthouse. You think your charges are up there, HELLO!!!
Yeap get on the committee and shake it up. I think post Covid shake ups are needed in many paces for numerous reasons so get going and shake furiously.
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Post by dp on Oct 15, 2022 16:43:17 GMT 12
Just did a round of price increases across the board at our yacht club at the committee meeting on Tuesday . Nobody wanted to but the club is losing money with the cost of everything going up . By all means get on the committee fish and you will see that it’s all not dark arts and voodoo like many people to perceive it to be 😂 I predict that most clubs will abandon their clubrooms within the next 20 years. The efforts of small committees to keep the doors open will just become too onerous. In my experience such clubs spend 75% of their committee time talking about the real estate and not sailing. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 15, 2022 19:06:23 GMT 12
and go back to a zephyr park on the beach front.😉
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 16, 2022 8:10:08 GMT 12
Yep. We're on the way back to the 'good ole days'. Flash clubs,employees,T/lifts etc.etc.are now only for the wealthy. If the real 'yachtie' survives in a club format it will be out of the back of a car with a carpacking case for clubrooms and a volunteer locker system. Except the Council /Govt/ Police/Enforcement officer/iwi will chase them away.The woke P.C> masses have rolled us
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Post by fish on Oct 16, 2022 9:20:12 GMT 12
Same here, ours hiked some costs a bit, I opposed it but as I'm now just a mushroom after being Top Dolphin for a few years I got over ridden. Westhaven is also going up and up and up with zero signs it will stop. They say its to pay for the place but its been paid for many times over now. Mr Fish. Can I suggest you don't bitch too much about the hardstand and think yourself lucky you have one. For the 2500 boats in Westhaven, Bayswater, Orakei we have Orams, the Aussie mob the council/government gave a huge chuck of ratepayers land too a few years back. They have a 300t travel lift and offices flasher than the Hiltons penthouse. You think your charges are up there, HELLO!!! Yeap get on the committee and shake it up. I think post Covid shake ups are needed in many paces for numerous reasons so get going and shake furiously. Sounds like we need to build a Trump type wall to keep all you Southerners (Westhaven-ites) out of our Northern (Auckland) paradise. Jokes aside, I've always had confidence in the committee members that they have the best interests of the club at heart, and are fundamentally competent in how they go about making decisions. Meaning I've felt no need to dive in. The reality is I dread working in a committee environment, it is herding cats. They say a camel was a horse designed by a committee. I've provided technical and professional advise to the club on various projects and make myself available to flag officers for technical questions. But as soon as something gets to the committee, it just grows arms and legs. The basic summary would be that where something needs replacing, but can last another 5-10 yrs, rather than sweat the asset, it has been replaced immediately (at considerable cost). 1) People wanted the boat ramp replaced, perceived it as deteriorating. I got a colleague to come and look at it, who was contracted to AT to manage all of Aucklands wharves and marine structures - so knew what he was talking about. He phoned me to ask if he was at the right ramp, couldn't see anything wrong with it, reckoned 90% of the ramps in Auckland were in a worse state. That saved $50k plus... 2) Mr Fish has given build code compliance advice about our wharf (his specialist area). That started by the Commodore asking me advice to verify information he recieved. Resulted in a cost effective strengthening of the wharf to keep it complaint with the build code and thus RC requirements (and club liabilities around insurances etc). 3) We needed a hardstand filtration system (obviously, for AF run off). I designed a system, fully compliant with AC standards of the time. Knowing the cost and complexity of these things, I designed one that required no chemical additives, and no mechanical or electrical items (maintenance and operating cost). Complete a full design report to professional standards (in my own time. Even got specialist stormwater colleagues to peer review my design, and give me technical guidance on the tricky things). At commercial rates the report and design would have been worth about $30k. Went to a few committee meetings to explain it. One member said he built a filter system for the Leah fish factory, and it was loads simpler than mine (cause it was filtering gross biological solids, not toxic particles). Another member says he got a filter for his mechanics workshop, it was a fraction of the size of mine (because it was a trade waste oil trap, not a filter for toxic particles). Nekkminnit the club installed a platinum plates water treatment unit that requires several hours a week of operator input $$$$, expensive chemicals, and several pumps (M&E items). Nekkminnit again, hardstand fees went up to cover the operating cost of the over-spec'ed filter system. That was before this price rise. Now there are discussions of getting a million dollar hydraulic boat hauling trailer. That would require the yard man to get a crane drivers ticket - crane drivers in Auckland get paid moon-beams. We currently have a $10k tractor and a $30k wheeler (replacement values). And we can only haul one boat a tide because of the cross current (need slack water at high tide). So I've completely missed the point on what is wrong with the current set up. Get a hydraulic boat hauler trailer would put us squarely in the commercial operations league. Along with commercial costs. Think I will start by reading the minutes of the recent committee meetings. I do know that our resource consent is coming up for renewal. That will need a substantial fighting fund of $$$. That, and we lease our land from Eke Punuku. If we are operating like a commercial outfit, will they charge us commercial land rates? So there is substantial risk there, hoping Brown sacks the chairman and we get some sense back into Auckland Council Properties. |
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