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Post by GO30 on Oct 26, 2024 11:38:48 GMT 12
Until my last renewal all I had to do was show I could secure a weapon in the house. Chain thru the trigger guard around a beam in the ceiling space and things like that were acceptable. But that would be hard if you had a few. Last renewal they wanted a safe which I got my security rated as 'excellent' but then I have a few so need the space. The supervision things is OK but also tricky, especially if anything goes wrong. My license was running out of time so I did the renewal early, didn't hear anything so 6 odd week later send in a 'Hello, anyone home?' to get back 'Sorry crazy busy be with you soon'. I replied 'I'm a week from licence ending and are onto a pile of wildcats, what can I do?',they replied 'If you are supervised then you're OK', so I replied 'So if my wife is there supervising I'm not going to get jailed?, 'If if OK she supervises you while shooting'. I stashed that email trail away well as my wife has no license and is not a gun fan, but I asked and they never did Today I'm told to get a license you have to have a safe, whether you have weapons or not. That seems a bit silly as what is emblazoned across the front of most safes? 'Gun Safe' which to any shady bugler means gun not safe as most safes are token and could be popped open with a crowbar. Mine are collectors lever and fireproof so quite serious. If I was part of the review I'd make a point of saying gun safes are not allowed to advertise the fact they are one. One of mine looks like a cabinet and not safe looking at all, next to no one picks up what it actually is. But the other screams 'Want weapons, then pop this open', that seems totally counter productive to 'safety', especially when you consider many safes are around tools and gear, the tools and gear you need to bash one open. Interesting concept that Swedish model, it makes a shed load of sense but I'm not too sure NZ is mature enough to handle that. Imagine of every NZer got taught basic gun use and safety. Then imagine if we used our smarts, we do have what we need, to build air and sea drones by the 10,s of 1000's if not 100's of 1000's Imagine what it would cost someone to get troops onto NZ soil and then get the inhabitants under control. Imagine the export potential and upskilling from a program like that. Or we buy Frigets for mega millions that have a life expectancy in a shooting war of less than 20 min and can be taken out by a $20000 missile fired from 50 miles away.
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Post by mihit on Oct 26, 2024 13:00:21 GMT 12
Locks only stop the honest. Cordless angle grinders have pretty much shat on any safe you can buy at a shop.
The historical requirement for storage was "safe from opportunist thieves and children" taking the bolt or mag out and putting it on top of the fridge was long regarded as she'll-be-right. NZ was saner then.
Back in the day I had a hollow-core-doored cupboard with two shitty locks signed off as secure storage. I still know people who could loose thousands for the sake of punching through a bit of GIB board.
It's really up to the license holder how they value their tools/toys, as to how they go above and beyond the minimum requirement. Firearm burglary isn't actually much of a thing in NZ though.
Next wars will all be the playstation generation. Drone strikes from 20,000' controlled by nerds with Xbox controllers and highspeed internet.
Land-based invasions are probably over. Plus when the john rambos (in the bush who just want to be left alone) get involved, no foot-army really has a chance. NZs SAS are globally regarded as top men. And probably women now, to be PC. Foreign leigon probably the only force that comes close, in regard. NZ is just really cool.
I think familiarisation with firearms would take a lot of the bullshit scare factor and ignorance out of the public. obviously that doesn't go well if your intent is governing them by fear. It would also decrease motivation for crime, knowing that getting shot is a likely outcome.
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Post by fish on Oct 28, 2024 19:02:13 GMT 12
Gun Register?, Yeah, Nah, just 3D print yourself some hand guns... A man has been jailed after he used a 3D printer to make firearms. Matthew Bryan McLaren appeared in the Oamaru District Court last week where he was sentenced to 26 months in prison. He is the first person in New Zealand to be sentenced for manufacturing firearms, according to the Otago Daily Times. An Otago man has been jailed for 26 months after he used a 3D printer to make firearms. He is the first person in New Zealand to be sentenced for manufacturing firearms, according to the Otago Daily Times. Matthew Bryan McLaren, 31, appeared in the Oamaru District Court last week. New legislation was passed in 2020 making the crime of manufacturing punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment. The Otago Daily Times reported the court hearing that on 1 July, police were at the McLaren’s home investigating an unrelated matter and then executed a warrant-less search for cannabis. The defendant was in his sleep-out and told police he had a loaded gun on the floor inside. Police found an operational 3D-printed pistol which was loaded with three live rounds of .22 ammunition in the attached magazine. They also found 26 bullets, 178 3D-printed parts, a 3D printer and various tools, springs and barrels. McLaren told police he was a "firearms enthusiast" and had printed about five other guns in the past two years. Defence counsel Katherine Henry said her client struggled with social interaction and enjoyed "tinkering away", according to the Otago Daily Times. "His hobby was something that he could afford to do ... quietly by himself in his own space. www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360466910/man-jailed-using-3d-printer-make-firearms
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Post by muzled on Oct 29, 2024 7:42:12 GMT 12
Anyone read about this? (I was unaware) reason.com/2024/10/25/new-zealand-government-punishes-gun-owners-for-their-political-beliefs/New Zealand Government Punishes Gun Owners for Their Political Beliefs The police targeted “sovereign citizens” for surveillance and disarmament. J.D. Tuccille | 10.25.2024 7:00 AM A common—and persuasive—argument against gun registration is that those who comply just put themselves on a list to have their firearms stolen by government officials in the future. As if to emphasize the point, the New Zealand government recently confiscated firearms licenses and the guns they covered from 62 people because of their political ideology. The situation is an important reminder that warnings against registering firearms are correct. But it also raises a red flag about governments' willingness to punish people for the ideas they believe. Under the Influence of Ideology "Sixty-two firearms licence holders with views aligned to the Sovereign Citizens movement had their licences revoked after a police intelligence operation," Catherine Hubbard reported for the Waikato Times on October 13. "Nationally, police identified 1,400 people as acting under the influence of Sovereign Citizen ideologies, and of that number, 158 were firearms licence holders."
If you're not familiar with the term, "sovereign citizen" is a general description for various people who deny the legitimacy of government and claim to live under common law separate from rules imposed by the state. That is, they go beyond the skepticism of government legitimacy shared by many people, including philosophical anarchists like Michael Huemer (I recommend his book, The Problem of Political Authority) and sometimes try to live by their ideas. They might refuse to use license plates and file liens against government officials while wielding garbled legal arguments that they—incorrectly—think will ward off unimpressed cops and judges. Like anybody else, they're occasionally dangerous. But mostly, they're that guy who corners you at a party to tell you about his magic constitutional revelation that will immunize you against the income tax. Sovereign citizens have found fertile ground in New Zealand, given a boost by the country's harsh COVID-era restrictions. And, for some reason, they really upset government officials in that country. "The Police Security Intelligence and Threats Group's Operation Belfast in September 2022 aimed at identifying safety risks to staff from people influenced by Sovereign Citizen ideologies," Hubbard added in her piece. "In most instances, no charges were laid in respect of a revocation process, unless the former licence holder had committed a criminal offence." Beliefs That Aren't 'Fit and Proper' That's right, the country's police conducted a domestic intelligence operation to identify people who hold cranky ideological beliefs. They were stripped of their firearms licenses because they were no longer considered "fit and proper" to possess them. I approached the New Zealand Police about the situation, but their press people refused to answer my questions. "Due to resourcing and our obligations to New Zealand media, we are declining your request for service," I was told by email. Strictly speaking, I didn't ask for an oil change or a massage, just the sort of answers media representatives routinely cough up as part of their jobs. But if those are a service, I didn't get them. Still, the Waikato Times article gave me enough information to search through the Firearms Safety Authority website, where I found a requirement that an applicant for a firearms license be "a fit and proper person to possess and use firearms." Among the potential disqualifiers for that status is if a person "exhibited, encouraged, or promoted violence, hatred, or extremism." 'Extremism' Is in the Eye of the Beholding Politician Extremism is one of those words that politicians find very useful for smearing their critics. Opposing viewpoints are always extreme relative to the speaker, so it's easy enough for those in power to point fingers at those who disagree with them and call for unleashing the censors. In fact, the New Zealand and French governments co-founded Christchurch Call, a campaign against "violent extremism content online." The campaign immediately became an amorphous bludgeon against speech government officials just don't like. Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who tried to ban "hate speech" when in office and has compared words to weapons of war, now devotes herself to "combating online extremism." "For the past five years, New Zealand has been led by someone who has never really understood what free speech is, or why it's so important," Dr. James Kierstead, a research fellow with the New Zealand Initiative think tank, wrote in 2022 about then-Prime Minister Ardern. So, perhaps it's not surprising that New Zealand officials believe simply espousing views the powers-that-be regard as "extreme" is reason enough to strip people of a piece of their liberty. Warnings for Americans While most Americans don't need licenses to own firearms, and we enjoy First Amendment protections for our speech and Second Amendment protections for owning the means of self-defense, we still need to consider the example of a liberal democratic government surveilling its own people and limiting the freedom of those found espousing "unacceptable" ideas. Just two years ago the FBI passed around a guide to "domestic terrorism symbols" that could indicate a proclivity for "militia violent extremism." Among the allegedly worrisome symbols were the Gadsden flag, the Betsy Ross flag, a black-and-gold anarcho-capitalist flag, and "Revolutionary War imagery." Getting tagged as an extremist isn't difficult. At the same time, the government attempted to suppress discussions on social media when they crossed imaginary lines of acceptable dissent to government policy or were just inconvenient to politicians. "For law-abiding American gun owners, the Kiwis' plight should serve as a stark reminder of the dangers of firearm registration, especially when coupled with a government that doesn't care about an individual's inherent rights, such as the right of their citizens to defend themselves and their families," cautions the Second Amendment Foundation. That's absolutely true. While it's not always possible to evade government mandates, registering your guns just puts them on a shopping list for sticky-fingered officials. That's true of registering anything that you value and that powerful people might fear or covet. Even more concerning, though, is the prospect of governments in supposedly free societies conducting intelligence operations against their people and punishing those who hold disapproved ideas. That's a great argument for getting rid of the need for government permission to go about our lives. Politicians will never approve of those who disagree with them, but we shouldn't need their approval.
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Post by em on Oct 29, 2024 8:22:30 GMT 12
Some more Info would be good . What Govt was in office at the time ? I doubt the police would ever release the comms they intercepted to prevent copycat plots by other groups.
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Post by mihit on Oct 29, 2024 19:22:47 GMT 12
A man has been jailed after he used a 3D printer to make firearms. Matthew Bryan McLaren appeared in the Oamaru District Court last week where he was sentenced to 26 months in prison.
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Post by mihit on Oct 29, 2024 19:26:56 GMT 12
Gun Register?, Yeah, Nah, just 3D print yourself some hand guns... A man has been jailed after he used a 3D printer to make firearms. Matthew Bryan McLaren appeared in the Oamaru District Court last week where he was sentenced to 26 months in prison.
Had a really good reply typed out for this but the internet decided to put it somewhere else!!
3d print gun - my arse! Bet they wouldn't or couldn't fire 26 rounds, even of .22, aka pea-shooter.
Absolute show-trial. Nothing to see. Move along.
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Post by mihit on Oct 29, 2024 19:46:41 GMT 12
Anyone read about this? (I was unaware) New Zealand Government Punishes Gun Owners for Their Political Beliefs Broadly. Copy-paste canada. The governance in NZ really lacks any imagination whatsoever. The definition of dumb-f*ckery is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
I couldn't even be bothered reading whatever they were waffling on about, sorry. Started off sounding like bullshit and didn't get any better so I just stopped.
Political dissidents have been targeted for a while. It's been more openly supported by the "mainstreamers" since they could point at granny-killing right-wing conspiracist whateverthefuckery
They came for the socialists, but I didn't speak out... and then there was no-one to speak out for me
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Post by muzled on Oct 30, 2024 7:49:13 GMT 12
Babylonbee... 9 More Scary Facts About Guns Oct 29, 2024 · BabylonBee.com You should be well aware by now that guns are the most dangerous things in existence today, narrowly edging out Donald Trump supporters. But you may not know all of the worst things about guns. To further prove the point, The Babylon Bee has compiled the following list of even more scary facts about guns: Touching one instantly turns you into a Republican: A fate worse than death. It takes 500 Kenyan child slaves to mine enough blasting powder to fill a single magazine clip with gun bullets: This is a crime against human rights. Guns are often a gateway drug to cannons: Sure, right now it's "just a little Glock." Next thing you know, you're building a Civil War-era cannon in the backyard. The average gun owner shoots 5,000 people per year: You can't argue with cold, hard statistics. If left unattended, guns have been known to commit mass shootings: The guns — and guns alone — are to blame. Guns literally invented murder: Before guns existed, nobody killed anyone. Ever. They are often used to stop dedicated, hardworking looters: They're just trying to feed their families with those Louis Vuitton handbags and 80" flatscreen TVs, you barbarian. Police carry guns: And we all know the police are everyone's enemy. If Hitler had guns, he likely would have won World War 2: Just think about that. If the list of terrifying facts above doesn't scare you enough, you must be a MAGA voter, which is only slightly less dangerous than a gun.
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Post by em on Oct 30, 2024 8:59:51 GMT 12
A mother and daughter were shot on our mountain a few years ago . They were property managers and were carrying out a property inspection , the tenant had blown a gasket for whatever reason and basically executed them . I was home at the time and was unaware of what was unfolding as it was at the other end of the mountain . Come school bus pick up time I jumped in the car and drove down the hill to the local village . There’s only one road across tej mountain , on the last hairpin before the road reaches the main road there was an AOS roadblock , multiple black Nissan patrols and balaclava’s wielding assault rifles .
I hit the brakes in surprise about 50 metres from the 2 dudes blocking the road with rifles , I was also in a Nissan patrol , manual gearbox so clutch in brakes on . One of them signalled me to approach slowly so I took one hand off the wheel to shift into gear and these dudes went trigger ready and rifles pointed at the ground in front of my wagon . Turns out I closely matched the shooters description .
More recently a much closer neighbour started getting a bit aggro with a logging operation in his boundary which happened to be owned by my sons mate . They damaged a totara tree with their grapple digger and an argument broke out . He went home grabbed his semi auto and a Target , set up the target right on the boundary and proceeded to blast away at it in close proximity to the logging operations . Police were called and dude was sent home hopefully with a warning . A week later the logging crew heard shots very nearby at smoko , one brave member walked down the neighbours drive to investigate and came across the neighbour shooting at a hoarding of one of the local candidates for mayor that he’d set up as a target . Police called again , dude sent home no more shots during logging .
Few months later , target shooting resumes . nearest neighbour to shooter asks him to stop as it’s freaking them out a bit . He sets up his target parallel to their boundary very close to their house and let’s rip on semi . Police called , dude gets sent home , no more problem shooting but the odd shot at possums and pigs . Few months after that dude gets into a fist fight with a neighbour on his other boundary over some dumped tyres , police get called by other neighbours wife and 3 police units arrive very quickly and dude gets taken home by a large contingent of police . This was a couple of years ago and there’s been no more shots so I guess the guns are gone .
Guns and easily triggered blokes are not a great combo .
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Post by muzled on Oct 30, 2024 10:48:02 GMT 12
A mother and daughter were shot on our mountain a few years ago . They were property managers and were carrying out a property inspection , the tenant had blown a gasket for whatever reason and basically executed them . I was home at the time and was unaware of what was unfolding as it was at the other end of the mountain . Come school bus pick up time I jumped in the car and drove down the hill to the local village . There’s only one road across tej mountain , on the last hairpin before the road reaches the main road there was an AOS roadblock , multiple black Nissan patrols and balaclava’s wielding assault rifles . I hit the brakes in surprise about 50 metres from the 2 dudes blocking the road with rifles , I was also in a Nissan patrol , manual gearbox so clutch in brakes on . One of them signalled me to approach slowly so I took one hand off the wheel to shift into gear and these dudes went trigger ready and rifles pointed at the ground in front of my wagon . Turns out I closely matched the shooters description . More recently a much closer neighbour started getting a bit aggro with a logging operation in his boundary which happened to be owned by my sons mate . They damaged a totara tree with their grapple digger and an argument broke out . He went home grabbed his semi auto and a Target , set up the target right on the boundary and proceeded to blast away at it in close proximity to the logging operations . Police were called and dude was sent home hopefully with a warning . A week later the logging crew heard shots very nearby at smoko , one brave member walked down the neighbours drive to investigate and came across the neighbour shooting at a hoarding of one of the local candidates for mayor that he’d set up as a target . Police called again , dude sent home no more shots during logging . Few months later , target shooting resumes . nearest neighbour to shooter asks him to stop as it’s freaking them out a bit . He sets up his target parallel to their boundary very close to their house and let’s rip on semi . Police called , dude gets sent home , no more problem shooting but the odd shot at possums and pigs . Few months after that dude gets into a fist fight with a neighbour on his other boundary over some dumped tyres , police get called by other neighbours wife and 3 police units arrive very quickly and dude gets taken home by a large contingent of police . This was a couple of years ago and there’s been no more shots so I guess the guns are gone . Guns and easily triggered blokes are not a great combo . I can't believe he didn't lose his license and six shooters at the logging incident! Unlike 'merica, it's a privilege to own there here, not a right.
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Post by Cantab on Oct 30, 2024 11:01:10 GMT 12
Pity he didn't post something nasty about Cindy online, would have lost the guns long ago.
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Post by harrytom on Oct 30, 2024 12:00:16 GMT 12
Babylonbee... 9 More Scary Facts About Guns Oct 29, 2024 · BabylonBee.com You should be well aware by now that guns are the most dangerous things in existence today, narrowly edging out Donald Trump supporters. But you may not know all of the worst things about guns. To further prove the point, The Babylon Bee has compiled the following list of even more scary facts about guns: Touching one instantly turns you into a Republican: A fate worse than death. It takes 500 Kenyan child slaves to mine enough blasting powder to fill a single magazine clip with gun bullets: This is a crime against human rights. Guns are often a gateway drug to cannons: Sure, right now it's "just a little Glock." Next thing you know, you're building a Civil War-era cannon in the backyard. The average gun owner shoots 5,000 people per year: You can't argue with cold, hard statistics. If left unattended, guns have been known to commit mass shootings: The guns — and guns alone — are to blame. Guns literally invented murder: Before guns existed, nobody killed anyone. Ever. They are often used to stop dedicated, hardworking looters: They're just trying to feed their families with those Louis Vuitton handbags and 80" flatscreen TVs, you barbarian. Police carry guns: And we all know the police are everyone's enemy. If Hitler had guns, he likely would have won World War 2: Just think about that. If the list of terrifying facts above doesn't scare you enough, you must be a MAGA voter, which is only slightly less dangerous than a gun. No gun has ever killed any person or animal ,needs a someone to pull the trigger. So perhaps where reports where someone killed a person,it should read a shooter. Gun sit all day loaded on the table perfectly safe until its picked up by a person. A weapon is merely a tool safe in some hands unsafe in otherts and this is the problem is how unsafe persons are getting these weapons
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Post by em on Oct 30, 2024 12:17:20 GMT 12
A mother and daughter were shot on our mountain a few years ago . They were property managers and were carrying out a property inspection , the tenant had blown a gasket for whatever reason and basically executed them . I was home at the time and was unaware of what was unfolding as it was at the other end of the mountain . Come school bus pick up time I jumped in the car and drove down the hill to the local village . There’s only one road across tej mountain , on the last hairpin before the road reaches the main road there was an AOS roadblock , multiple black Nissan patrols and balaclava’s wielding assault rifles . I hit the brakes in surprise about 50 metres from the 2 dudes blocking the road with rifles , I was also in a Nissan patrol , manual gearbox so clutch in brakes on . One of them signalled me to approach slowly so I took one hand off the wheel to shift into gear and these dudes went trigger ready and rifles pointed at the ground in front of my wagon . Turns out I closely matched the shooters description . More recently a much closer neighbour started getting a bit aggro with a logging operation in his boundary which happened to be owned by my sons mate . They damaged a totara tree with their grapple digger and an argument broke out . He went home grabbed his semi auto and a Target , set up the target right on the boundary and proceeded to blast away at it in close proximity to the logging operations . Police were called and dude was sent home hopefully with a warning . A week later the logging crew heard shots very nearby at smoko , one brave member walked down the neighbours drive to investigate and came across the neighbour shooting at a hoarding of one of the local candidates for mayor that he’d set up as a target . Police called again , dude sent home no more shots during logging . Few months later , target shooting resumes . nearest neighbour to shooter asks him to stop as it’s freaking them out a bit . He sets up his target parallel to their boundary very close to their house and let’s rip on semi . Police called , dude gets sent home , no more problem shooting but the odd shot at possums and pigs . Few months after that dude gets into a fist fight with a neighbour on his other boundary over some dumped tyres , police get called by other neighbours wife and 3 police units arrive very quickly and dude gets taken home by a large contingent of police . This was a couple of years ago and there’s been no more shots so I guess the guns are gone . Guns and easily triggered blokes are not a great combo . I can't believe he didn't lose his license and six shooters at the logging incident! Unlike 'merica, it's a privilege to own there here, not a right. Yeah gobsmacked seeing as this was after the double homicide up the road .
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