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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 13, 2022 8:28:55 GMT 12
National will repeal this according to Luxon...if you can trust / believe him. Supposing he is in the driving seat next year then this may come to nought. Took him long enough to come out so I'm not sure that all he'd do is water it down at best. I'm a townie but raised rural .What Labour is doing is utter madness, treasonous if there's such a word and idealogically corrupt. Government used to be for the people. And mainstream NZ sits by and cowtows.
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Post by fish on Oct 13, 2022 8:58:52 GMT 12
National will repeal this according to Luxon...if you can trust / believe him. Supposing he is in the driving seat next year then this may come to nought. Took him long enough to come out so I'm not sure that all he'd do is water it down at best. I'm a townie but raised rural .What Labour is doing is utter madness, treasonous if there's such a word and idealogically corrupt. Government used to be for the people. And mainstream NZ sits by and cowtows. I saw 'the man with a tit for a head's' response. Underwhelming. Firstly, he states that agriculture needs to be included in the ETS. WHY? No-one is debating this point. Why? That is the basic issue. Why should agriculture be included in the ETS? If we clear up that point, the rest of the debate becomes a non issue. Food production is not a discretionary activity. Flying to Fiji for a holiday, or flying to Glasgow for a conference are discretionary activities. The bit that really concerns me is that we (NZ, or anyone actually) cannot influence the weather. So all this tax is good for is virtue signaling. To kneecap NZ's biggest industry (dairy, beef and lamb) for virtue signally is just twaddlebollocks. I listened to a piece on this on RNZ. The arguement was that if you were in a restaurant in Europe, and the waiter told you the NZ meat was priced for carbon, you'd order that and pay a premium. That badly misunderstands peoples motivations for climate action. If you are in Europe, you can't get meat with higher food miles than meat from NZ. So I'd by the local produced meat (a big trend already). Further, I'd probably go for a posh rare breed, but mass produced NZ meat, like I used to when living in London and my contractors were trying to bribe me with a posh knock-up meal. In the UK, NZ lamb is the budget option. Always has been. There is a premium for locally produced (British) meat. And avoiding the elephant in the room, anyone seriously committed to climate change wont eat meat. That is why Belgium has banned advertising of meat on public property. Back to the man with a tit for a head. He is trying to please both the farmers and the climate change activists - by saying agriculture needs to be in the ETS. He is just arguing semantics about the form of the tax. He needs to use a bra for a hat and just get over it. Note that even the Climate Change Minister James Shaw, does not agree with this proposal for taxing emissions. Surely that rings alarm bells, even to the greenies. I have completely missed the debate on why agriculture needs to be in the ETS. The only reason I heard, is because some faceless person made a promise to the UN or whoever (at a conference in Europe that they flew to) that we would do something by some date. But that promise will gut our main industries and seriously impact many, many of our communities. I'd argue that the impact of climate change is not as bad as wrecking NZ's social fabric and covering our productive land with pines. I don't give a fuck if beachfront houses get flooded, it is an insurance problem. Planting pines wont stop flooding events. Sure, as climate changes farmers will have to grow different crops etc, but just throwing the baby out with the bath water and growing pines is illogical. There are so many more environmentally beneficial and economically positive things to grow... |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 14, 2022 10:08:25 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Oct 14, 2022 11:35:42 GMT 12
So in Shaws mind we should be thanking him. What a deluded mumpty! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 18:23:36 GMT 12
I'm picking Shaw will be taken out by a pissed off farmer before the next election....
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Post by fish on Oct 14, 2022 21:30:10 GMT 12
I'm picking Shaw will be taken out by a pissed off farmer before the next election.... . You are forgetting Shaw was taking out by his own party about 6 weeks ago. Dumped as leader. And the year before last he was taken out on the way to work, assaulted in some gardens walking to Parliament. There were no details on who, but I suspect it was one of the loonie greenies that doesn't think he is doing enough against climate change, i.e. the same bunch that sacked him from the green party. Likely part of the same demographic that keep on shutting down woke Wellingtons motorways (the city with the best rail network in the country) because they want trains to go to Invercargill, or something. It must have been a loonie greenie that took him out, cause if a farmer did it, it would have been done properly... Shaw never looks particularly happy to me. I think it's because everyone hates him. Even the greenies hate him. As Minister for Climate Change, the Labour govt completely overrode what he wanted / recommended for the fart tax, which means he is about as useful as tits on a bull. Literally nobody likes him. He should go down to the garden and eat worms. |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 15, 2022 12:30:04 GMT 12
Word is Jacinda and the Govt are very surprised at the reaction to the announcement. It seems they fully expected everyone to bow and kiss feet in pleasure and agreement so didn;t see the reaction coming. Sadly that doesn't surprise me.
I had a team coming in to clean 2 dams and a big stream prior to planting, we have been shopping for plants and got what we wanted sorted to order next week. After the announcement I rang the team coming and said Hold, I need to know where all this is going first as I may need to do that later. He said he fully understands and is in agreement so no worries. He also said I was the 4th person to do the same that morning. The plants will not be ordered next week either.
Basically we have stopped doing anything they want done until we have some clarity as to WTF is going on. If our work, which is work they want done, is not going to be recognised but my cows farts are then they can plant the fucking streams themselves. We are exactly what they want so taxing us for being so is so fucking dumb I'm still not entirely sure I'm awake and not still asleep and dreaming.
The Shaw 'you'll get a premium on the beef' line makes him look like an utter muppet. Why pay a premium for something that is mandated must happen.
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Post by jim on Oct 15, 2022 14:08:23 GMT 12
No surprise on this - we are getting well used to the fine print...https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/barry-soper-political-editor-on-maori-sheep-and-beef-farmers-getting-taxpayer-assistance-to-counteract-emissions-tax-disadvantage/?dicbo=v2-0d91bdcffca5a878ddbc1d2eb077535f
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 15:22:11 GMT 12
Word is Jacinda and the Govt are very surprised at the reaction to the announcement. It seems they fully expected everyone to bow and kiss feet in pleasure and agreement so didn;t see the reaction coming. Sadly that doesn't surprise me. I had a team coming in to clean 2 dams and a big stream prior to planting, we have been shopping for plants and got what we wanted sorted to order next week. After the announcement I rang the team coming and said Hold, I need to know where all this is going first as I may need to do that later. He said he fully understands and is in agreement so no worries. He also said I was the 4th person to do the same that morning. The plants will not be ordered next week either. Basically we have stopped doing anything they want done until we have some clarity as to WTF is going on. If our work, which is work they want done, is not going to be recognised but my cows farts are then they can plant the fucking streams themselves. We are exactly what they want so taxing us for being so is so fucking dumb I'm still not entirely sure I'm awake and not still asleep and dreaming. The Shaw 'you'll get a premium on the beef' line makes him look like an utter muppet. Why pay a premium for something that is mandated must happen. been there done that pre/ post Koyoto. Trees $$$$ then trees🖕🖕🖕🖕 Why bother doing all the hard work to help the environment only to get spanked!... |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 15, 2022 18:42:01 GMT 12
Why bother doing all the hard work to help the environment only to get spanked!... Rest assured 99.9% of what we are doing in rural is because we want to do it. We are a pair of greenies at heart so just trying to make our few sq metres just that little bit nicer because we can. Not sure how that lines up with the 3.9km motocross track I've built on it though 
I've had a few try to spank/have a crack at our rural existence and I love it to bits when they do. I start by telling them I brought a diary farm from the proceeds of selling some slums we rented to dumbfuck Uni Students in Welly. If they are still trying after that then I can get them questioning themselves quite quickly, it's easy to do and a lot of fun watching them trying to process it all
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Post by GO30 on Oct 16, 2022 9:43:11 GMT 12
I found a NZ Government calculator of our farms emissions and sequestrations. It appears to be the same calc used by Waka en nokey docky or what ever it's name is that is mentioned a lot lately around farm emissions.
I entered all the guff, honestly, and it reckons while we emit 33.9t of methane due to cows burping, 0.5t of methane due to cows wee doing something on the soil and 5.9t of nitrous oxide again due to cow wee interacting with dirt, we are also sequestering 166t of CO2.
So bitchs start sending me your money..................... but in the same breath I think we are still gonna be screwed over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 9:59:11 GMT 12
Yip. No balance for offsetting your burbs with your trees unless your James offshore flying to CC meetings .. then they use any tree in any forest to offset.
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Post by sabre on Oct 16, 2022 20:08:31 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 23:01:33 GMT 12
I found a NZ Government calculator of our farms emissions and sequestrations. It appears to be the same calc used by Waka en nokey docky or what ever it's name is that is mentioned a lot lately around farm emissions. I entered all the guff, honestly, and it reckons while we emit 33.9t of methane due to cows burping, 0.5t of methane due to cows wee doing something on the soil and 5.9t of nitrous oxide again due to cow wee interacting with dirt, we are also sequestering 166t of CO2. So bitchs start sending me your money..................... but in the same breath I think we are still gonna be screwed over. Now if you farmed on concrete with a collect for cow wees(urea) there is a market for the product.I kid you not.Thats what is used in emmision control for trucks now days.Its called ADblue,reduces the fumes/disguises the diesel smell. Diesil $2.48 plt adblu $3.00 plt on 200lts we use 20lts ab. And without it,trucks(some models) go in to limp mode ,no power and tried adding water to no avail. Gets mixed in the exhaust system. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 17, 2022 8:16:45 GMT 12
Now if you farmed on concrete with a collect for cow wees(urea) there is a market for the product.I kid you not.Thats what is used in emmision control for trucks now days.Its called ADblue,reduces the fumes/disguises the diesel smell. Diesil $2.48 plt adblu $3.00 plt on 200lts we use 20lts ab. And without it,trucks(some models) go in to limp mode ,no power and tried adding water to no avail. Gets mixed in the exhaust system. AdBlue is used to reduce NOx emissions, the emissions that got VW into trouble with dieselgate (they did not want to pay Mercedes the royalties for their technology) and the same emissions which jetplanes generate copious amounts whilst carrying hypocritical Green and Labour politicians to climate catastrophe conferences at luxury locations. |
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