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Post by eri on Oct 14, 2022 12:17:00 GMT 12
As Matthew Hooton writes today in the Herald, the two blocs in Parliament are currently playing right into the hands of Peters by appearing as extreme, allowing NZ First a plausible new pitch for votes: “Vote for the Labour-Green-Te Pāti Māori (TPM) bloc, they argue, and you’ll get ever-more insufferable Grey Lynn wokeism, world-first climate taxes on provincial New Zealand solely designed to bolster Jacinda Ardern’s international brand, radical separatism and ultimately some kind of ‘Tiriti-ocracy’. But vote for the National-Act axis, they say, and a hapless and policy-less Christopher Luxon will be pushed far right by a much better organised and ideologically committed David Seymour.”NZ First now has a strong catchcry of being the “handbrake” on the excesses of Labour and National extremism.Peters has already signalled that the price for working with Labour again in 2023 would be that they drop their co-governance agenda. And he’s explained that he had previously been a handbrake on these issues: “We were in government for three years. There were matters which were clearly not disclosed to me or my party – He Puapua and going to Ihumatao… Since the [2020] election you have seen the emergence of what are clearly race-based policies and a pathway to apartheid – there’s no other word for it.”
Don’t expect Peters’ usual xenophobic campaigns on immigration, however. As the Herald’s Audrey Young writes today, “given the dire need for immigrants to fill labour shortages, it is unlikely that attacking immigration will feature strongly in Winston Peters’ bid to return to politics next year.”
As Hooton has argued, “Winston Peters needs only one in 20 voters – the remaining 19 voters and the mainstream media can loathe and belittle him as much as they like… If anything, the scorn of the 19 and the media helps.”
New Zealand First still have a long way to go in returning to Parliament – and there are plenty of reasons for voters to distrust them. But it’s probably time to start taking a Winston Peters comeback seriously.
democracyproject.nz/2022/10/14/bryce-edwards-can-nz-first-once-again-fill-the-vacuum-at-the-centre-of-politics/
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 14, 2022 13:06:32 GMT 12
and where was Peter's when Stalinda announced her Capatian's call Oil & Gas Exploration ban, MIA!
Altho I have some time for Edwards writing he is still at heart a socialist and cannot resist using nonsensical words such as "will be pushed far right".
How come they never refer to Labour/Greens/Maori as "the extreme left"?
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Post by fish on Oct 14, 2022 13:46:29 GMT 12
New poll out. Nat/Act slowly increasing their lead of Lab/Greens with 63 seats forecast. Aderns prefered PM rating drops. Mahuta has a net approval rating of negative 31... And something I am completely not across, is TOP. Polling at 3.4%. That is a lot for a minor party with no-one in parliament, having never even been in parliament, and who's founding leader spat the dummy. NZF on 2.1% The man with a tit for a head's preferred PM rating is falling also. I think he needs to actually do something. Like commit to a policy maybe, just one... No mention of Democracy NZ or any other aspect of the Freedom movement. www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130175800/nationalact-coalition-widens-its-margin-on-labourgreens-in-latest-poll |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 14, 2022 15:28:29 GMT 12
"Slowly" increasing lead ? Really.I haven't seen the poll.. But how much more does that bimbo and her bunch of se]f indulgent aggrandising incompetent communists have to do to the population before they wake up? Is there any one major issue that has been to the general populations benefit ? Another term of them and NZ will be a South Seas North Korea with a national debt that our grandkids grandkids will still be paying.
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Post by fish on Oct 14, 2022 16:01:18 GMT 12
"Slowly" increasing lead ? Really.I haven't seen the poll.. But how much more does that bimbo and her bunch of se]f indulgent aggrandising incompetent communists have to do to the population before they wake up? Is there any one major issue that has been to the general populations benefit ? Another term of them and NZ will be a South Seas North Korea with a national debt that our grandkids grandkids will still be paying. VFF were running a campaign leading up to the Local Body elections, they'd take a photo of a complete meat-head, and caption it that so and so hasn't got a clew, and is going to vote. The idea was to encourage you to actually vote. Does that answer your question? Very few people actually follow politics. The majority of the country still get their information from the Legacy media. But they all still get to vote. As GO30 has stated, most people vote for the Politician that 'looks nice'. Zero policies. That happened with Adern in 2017, and it looks like the man with a tit for a head wants it to happen in 2023. My sister inlaw is a good example. She works for the Council, her job is to remove carparks from downtown Auckland. She is fully pro-vax, thinks Adern did a great job with covid, and is a Labour supporter. At the same time, she didn't know that Willy Jackson had called David Seymour a useless Maori. There are a number of dodgy things that Labour do that she is not across. She has 3 young kids and works, so just doesn't have the time or energy to take in the details or subtlety of the bullshit. She takes the headlines and thinks 'oh, that is nice'.... To be fair, it is easy for me to win a debate with her, because she does not have a clue. But she gets to vote. |
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Post by jim on Oct 14, 2022 16:11:49 GMT 12
Totally agree on that Fish - i have friends and even a couple of family members that have no idea whatsoever of the problems we are facing as they "keep up to date" via TV3 ... and they make no secret they'll be happily voting for more Jacinda.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 14, 2022 17:04:20 GMT 12
Thx F & J. Bloody hell. I know you're right but I still despair
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Post by dutyfree on Oct 14, 2022 18:31:03 GMT 12
Peters caused what we have, he is no savior,no handbrake, he is an opportunistic old man out for his own benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 18:36:18 GMT 12
www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/476688/national-and-act-could-form-government-in-latest-taxpayers-union-curia-poll5.22pm today A new political poll brings more bad news for the Labour government, with a coalition between National and ACT polling higher than one between Labour and the Greens. The Taxpayers' Union Curia Poll puts support for National at 39 percent, up two points from September. ACT dropped three points to 9 percent. If these results translate to the 2023 election, these two established allies could form a coalition of 63 seats in Parliament - enough to govern the country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 18:36:54 GMT 12
The problem you have in NZ is stupidity....
The dumb youth , unemployed, greenie university girls, public servants, and elderly woman all love Cindy because ... She's a woman and she gives them money..
These fuckwits number in thier thousands but think with input from thier eyes rather than their ears.
NZ is fucked . Unless your super wealthy.. something Cindy has enhanced rather than stopped... The poor who support her are being rogered and they can't see it. Get out while you can!
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Post by fish on Oct 14, 2022 21:22:53 GMT 12
Peters caused what we have, he is no savior,no handbrake, he is an opportunistic old man out for his own benefit. Yeah, but he is funny as fuck, and speaks in short sound bites so people don't zone out to what he is saying too quick. (like they do for Luxon, if he ever actually says anything). Linking back to Armchair's issue of stupid people voting. The key really is getting the cut through. Holding peoples attention long enough for you to say one or two points. Peters is the grand-master of that. He knows the triggers that get people listening. 4 Elections ago it was immigration. This election it is pot-holes. And once he gets people's attention cause they don't like potholes, he chucks in a bit of 3 waters and co-governance. Peters may well get back into Parliament because he is going on about potholes. Don't worry about health, education or the economy. Potholes is the attention grabbing issue now, and Peters is onto it. |
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Post by eri on Oct 15, 2022 7:09:46 GMT 12
The swathe of new mayors and councillors who are shaping up as a headache for many of Labour's most fundamental reforms were voted in for precisely that reason: to act as a check and a balance on a Labour Government with a majority.
The election of Brown in Auckland, Phil Mauger in Christchurch and Tania Tapsell in Rotorua – all replacing former Labour MPs - tell us that.
Those who thought the country was heading in the wrong direction was climbing and climbing, from the 20 per cent in 2021 to 56 per cent now.It is difficult to tell whether there is any appetite or room for Peters anymore, given Act's David Seymour has happily filled the space he left, and National is now resurgentwww.nzherald.co.nz/nz/claire-trevett-are-labours-big-reforms-cooked-wayne-brown-victory-puts-pothole-in-labours-reform-road/ZPRD4IKQCO2GOKXESFTRWFOACM/... Every so often there is a tidal change in a nation's thinking, a change as imperceptible as a sea tide until something happens to make it evident, the re-emergence of a reef - or an election result.
The local election results last weekend were just such a sign. Wayne Brown's victory in the Auckland mayoralty was expected but not the scale of it, and nobody realised the tide had turned nationwide.
Christchurch had two impressive mayoral candidates and the one leaning right beat a well-liked former health board chair. Three of the main cities went right and so did normally Labour-voting Rotorua. Only the capital swam against the tide, which is no consolation for a government.
There has been a sea change. It has obvious implications for the general election a year from now but it will have an impact on politics much sooner than that. In fact, its effect is evident already.
The Prime Minister was markedly more conciliatory in her remarks on Three Waters at Monday's post-Cabinet press conference. In Auckland media, left-wing commentators were softening their treatment of Brown, finding merit in some of his plans to reshape the way the council works.
News media need to speak to the temper of the times and election results are their best guide. Even with low turnouts, local body elections are many times better than an opinion poll.
As one who cares for the survival of newspapers, it has long worried me that the 2017 election result, distorted by Winston Peters, has led them to misread the zeitgeist. Most people are not woke.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-roughan-right-leaning-winners-in-local-elections-a-warning-for-labour-government/ZODRNCPD6FLGE65TV47BIOIVOQ/
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Post by ajoliver on Oct 15, 2022 7:33:59 GMT 12
Aren't there any leftie sailors in Aotearoa ??
And what is wrong with wokeism ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 9:08:35 GMT 12
Aren't there any leftie sailors in Aotearoa ?? And what is wrong with wokeism ?? ... Easy! American know it all's like you!👍😁 Now sling ya hook back to crew.orgy.lame.woke.leftielosers... Oh and welcome to the "real world" political site posing as a sailing website.…. |
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Post by fish on Oct 15, 2022 9:20:07 GMT 12
Aren't there any leftie sailors in Aotearoa ?? And what is wrong with wokeism ?? ... Easy! American know it all's like you!👍😁 Now sling ya hook back to crew.orgy.lame.woke.leftielosers... Oh and welcome to the "real world" political site posing as a sailing website.…. Pull your head in aquaholic. That is not how we welcome people here. And none of us want to live in an echo chamber. AJ is an intelligent and well reasoned poster, and I'd rate his point of view over yours. |
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