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Post by eri on Oct 15, 2022 18:39:31 GMT 12
Former NZ First MP Shane Jones is rejecting any suggestion that a donation from a company to his campaign in 2019 had any influence over a Provincial Growth Fund grant to the same company a year later.
Aimex Group is listed as having made a $5000 donation to Jones about a year before it was announced an upgrade to the Nelson Slipway, a project Aimex was a partner in, would receive $9.8 million from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 2:56:43 GMT 12
Aren't there any leftie sailors in Aotearoa ?? And what is wrong with wokeism ?? . If being a NZ leftie means being, a environmentalist, being Anti oil and gas, being Anti rich pricks, and being anti America's cup then there is no such thing as a yachtie being anything but right wing By virtue of owning one of the worst ' oil resourced/laden" products/objects on the planet makes yachties anti green and anti left . Just think of the amount of Bad products/resources used make a boat. Grp , sails,ropes- oil Lead - heavy metal Mast . Oil/carbon Or bauxite Rigging, interior fit out, AF, motor, electronics... You're a 2 faced bigot if you own a boat, car house and vote Greens or labour in NZ |
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Post by sabre on Oct 16, 2022 5:58:01 GMT 12
Former NZ First MP Shane Jones is rejecting any suggestion that a donation from a company to his campaign in 2019 had any influence over a Provincial Growth Fund grant to the same company a year later.
Aimex Group is listed as having made a $5000 donation to Jones about a year before it was announced an upgrade to the Nelson Slipway, a project Aimex was a partner in, would receive $9.8 million from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF). To say I'm not a fan of Shane Jones is a massive understatement but this is interesting timing just as NZ first starts getting some traction. Who reported this? |
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Post by ajoliver on Oct 16, 2022 7:22:57 GMT 12
Aquaholic wrote . . "AJ answer this one question honestly... Do you agree with Arderns politics?...
If you answer yes then you will not fit with this site!
If no then welcome and I apologize.
Put your cards on the table."
OK, I will answer that, but you should answer my question first . .
What is wrong with "woke"?
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 16, 2022 7:36:00 GMT 12
I'll welcome AJ....from that other site. We can disagree here without vitriole and censorship. AJ has some worthy ideas that make you think even though you might disagree. Echo chambers can be counter productive. Peters and Jones caused all this and may go down in history as having destroyed the basic fabric of NZ and the things our parents/grandparents fought for by anointing that bimbo and her pack of incompetent communists as dictators.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 7:39:58 GMT 12
Easy for a start ...why has the term “woke” become so divisive? The trouble starts when campaigns (minorities) over-reach, alienating moderate supporters. It is easy to see how this has happened. Examples include toppling statues of wartime leader Winston Churchill – cherished as a hero by many in the West – or companies being “advised” to stop using the word “mother” by LGBTQ+ charity Stonewall, which operates a “Workplace Equality Index” in the UK. To large swaths of the general public, this all screams of political correctness gone mad.
Wokeness also implies that those not in the club are asleep, deluded or wrong. This instant judgement forms a dividing line, forcing the other side to become defensive and further entrenching the debate. The moral superiority platform is hardly a way to bring sceptics on board, especially when wealthy and privileged campaigners who have co-opted wokeness do not even follow their own standards, such as celebrity Dame Emma Thompson, who flew across the world to join an Extinction Rebellion protest about climate change in London in 2019. This particular protest involved blocking bridges and roads in the heart of London, including stopping ambulances, and the public outrage was so great that it damaged its own cause, as it provided the impetus for a new Police Bill which will restrict noise levels and timings for future protests.
Another example is the turbulent debate about trans-rights and gender identity. Trans people want to be accepted for who they are, including being legally recognised as the gender they wish. The UK already provides a Gender Recognition Certificate, through which one can change their legal sex but only after time requirements and medical checks, which many in the trans community consider demeaning. Trans activists are therefore campaigning to reduce these checks in order to make it easier to legally change sex. These voices deserve to be heard. However, it is also reasonable to listen to the women who are expressing concerns about what this might mean for women in private spaces, such as in changing rooms, toilets and, more significantly, prisons and services such as domestic violence shelters.
Do you need more AJ?
Wokeism is so wrong, devisive, and damaging to so many young minds ( And old) and you too trying to defend it is like Putin defending sending his people to the Ukraine!
And by the way your first post was...
Off topic
And tone deaf and I think was only posted to shit stir!?... But like the "Deleted" dude who tried it on!.. ..
He's now in a straight jacket dribbling into his pillow 😉😁
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 7:56:14 GMT 12
I'll welcome AJ....from that other site. We can disagree here without vitriole and censorship. AJ has some worthy ideas that make you think even though you might disagree. Echo chambers can be counter productive. Peters and Jones caused all this and may go down in history as having destroyed the basic fabric of NZ and the things our parents/grandparents fought for by anointing that bimbo and her pack of incompetent communists as dictators. do you think AJs first post was devisive or informative.?.. And on topic?... AJs a smart man but that was a reactionary and devisive first post don't you think? Anyway I welcome the debate and if AJ wants to start his first day at NZ sailing like that then that's cool. As for peters and Jones... One could argue that the Nats didn't win over the king maker enough in 2018 ... I say Jabcinda just dropped her pants for a deal |
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Post by sabre on Oct 16, 2022 9:22:45 GMT 12
To be fair to Winston he did keep the handbrake firmly on Labour during the first term. It wasn't until Labour governed alone that they started systematically destroying NZ.
If Winny was still part of the coalition this term things would be very different. No co-governance, seperate health systems etc
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Post by Fogg on Oct 16, 2022 9:23:21 GMT 12
Likewise it would be great to have AJ here - to hear counter views to the prevailing opinions here and test & challenge the thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 9:32:07 GMT 12
Likewise it would be great to have AJ here - to hear counter views to the prevailing opinions here and test & challenge the thinking. agree 👍 but AJ needs an opening post that's a bit better than that!... Anyway I have answered his questions... I'll be interested in the level of avoidence, wokeness and "Stalinda justification" he brings to the " conversation". |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 16, 2022 9:36:08 GMT 12
I'll welcome AJ....from that other site. We can disagree here without vitriole and censorship. AJ has some worthy ideas that make you think even though you might disagree. Echo chambers can be counter productive. Peters and Jones caused all this and may go down in history as having destroyed the basic fabric of NZ and the things our parents/grandparents fought for by anointing that bimbo and her pack of incompetent communists as dictators. do you think AJs first post was devisive or informative.?.. And on topic?... AJs a smart man but that was a reactionary and devisive first post don't you think? I think it was fine, maybe a hint one side of the topic but as forums go that's closer than many get and I include many a post on this site 
I like disagreement done nicely, I like people who challenge my views and I've learnt a shit load more by having my views challenged than by them not. I am always trying to prove myself wrong and I can go to some extremes to do so but first I need a trigger to make me think 'Hang on, am I as right as I think I am?'. When I that question gets asked I go hunting and I hunt at places I know disagree with me to find up why they do (within reason of course and baring in mind what the site is up for i.e NZ's the daily blog I suss a lot but I do so knowing it is verging on extreme left and basically a political attack site, the same but generally reversed for Kiwiblog and so on), doing that has changed my mind, it has made me more aware of how this leftie V rightie shit is a distraction designed to keep the population busy scrapping amongst themselves so a handful can shaft the entire lot far easier out of site.
Trigger me AJ. You, or anyone else, could start by explaining why you pigeon hole people into left or right and how you think that will make the world a better place.
But first your question. I really don't understand what many mean by throwing the woke term about, it seems to vary a lot and depends on who is using it. Like the term Qanon, it is used as a political term that suggest the user is broken and deserves to have all manner of shit dumped apon them but go suss the genesis of QAnon and it's nothing like that a all, it was pretty much just a bunch of geeks playing a game. So I can't really answer it as I don't fully understand it's full meaning in relation to the many ways it gets used. I also strongly suspect if pushed most users would be in the same place as me.
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Post by fish on Oct 16, 2022 9:36:17 GMT 12
Aquaholic wrote . . "AJ answer this one question honestly... Do you agree with Arderns politics?... If you answer yes then you will not fit with this site! If no then welcome and I apologize. Put your cards on the table." OK, I will answer that, but you should answer my question first . . What is wrong with "woke"? I'm keen to answer that, but it may help to understand your definition of woke? In my view, woke is an indoctrination. It is a set of beliefs or values that are not founded on logic or critical thinking. There is nothing wrong with the majority of views that come out of being woke, i.e. sexual discrimination, unnecessarily holds women down. That is not good for society or the economy, therefore, avoid or remove sexual discrimination. The issue comes about where men are held back in favour of women. That is the equity verse equality argument. People can have logical and critically thought out beliefs. My concern is that wokism skips the critical thought step and just becomes like a religion, an indoctrination. |
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Post by fish on Oct 16, 2022 9:40:21 GMT 12
This is the dictionary definition of wokism.
Based on that, I can see exactly where AJ is coming from. My point still stands, the way wokism is applied in NZ lacks critical thought.
Infact, that is probably the nub of the issue. Many woksters perceive everything as an injustice. And that is my criticism of them. My arguement is that most woksters are far too sensitive, and I do not perceive nearly as much injustice as them.
Example, banning transgender biological men from playing rugby and weightlifting. I see a greater injustice allowing them to play, not from banning them.
wokeism
in British English
(ˈwəʊkɪzəm IPA Pronunciation Guide ) or wokery (ˈwəʊkərɪ IPA Pronunciation Guide )
NOUN
informal, often derogatory
the behaviour and attitudes of people who are sensitive to social and political injustice
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 9:49:13 GMT 12
To be fair to Winston he did keep the handbrake firmly on Labour during the first term. It wasn't until Labour governed alone that they started systematically destroying NZ. If Winny was still part of the coalition this term things would be very different. No co-governance, seperate health systems etc Winny has ruled out labour soooo .. Uits Nats or nothing |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 9:51:42 GMT 12
This is the dictionary definition of wokism. Based on that, I can see exactly where AJ is coming from. My point still stands, the way wokism is applied in NZ lacks critical thought. Infact, that is probably the nub of the issue. Many woksters perceive everything as an injustice. And that is my criticism of them. My arguement is that most woksters are far too sensitive, and I do not perceive nearly as much injustice as them. Example, banning transgender biological men from playing rugby and weightlifting. I see a greater injustice allowing them to play, not from banning them. wokeism in British English (ˈwəʊkɪzəm IPA Pronunciation Guide ) or wokery (ˈwəʊkərɪ IPA Pronunciation Guide ) NOUN informal, often derogatory the behaviour and attitudes of people who are sensitive to social and political injusticeCollins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers have you read my answer to AJs woke question. Read it and comment! |
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