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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 6, 2022 16:24:05 GMT 12
Lets be honest here. If you or I were elected as mayor or mp. Would you go hammer and tong and upset all knowing you will be out next election?? Nah bow down and accept how the system works,stay 9yrs or 3 terms and retire on a healthy pension. That's how NZ has ended up with the pollies in Councils and Govt. Shut up,except to suck up to the dopey electors ; that and MMP where the only thing you have to do is suck up to the party.
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Post by fish on Nov 6, 2022 17:17:38 GMT 12
meanwhile old Luxon keeps quiet.Why because he has no come back as Nats dont have the answers either. NZ is fucked for next 10/15yrs. There are no pollies prepared to grab the tasks in hand and run with them to sort the problem out. Bit like the courts having a family conference.meanwhile the little shits carry on. This website should answer your questions. They already have a plan. The have a costed budget - only party to have one. They have policies already published, and with details. And based on tonight's poll, they will be forming a government... www.act.org.nz/
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Post by fish on Nov 6, 2022 17:20:53 GMT 12
Lets be honest here. If you or I were elected as mayor or mp. Would you go hammer and tong and upset all knowing you will be out next election?? Nah bow down and accept how the system works,stay 9yrs or 3 terms and retire on a healthy pension. Depends if I already had money, and how old I was. At 73, there has to be more motivation to go nuclear than a career twat at the age of 28 (How old was Adern when she first got a seat?) But, to be honest, I think you lot misunderstand politics. Wayne Brown will do what his financial backers want. After that, he might do what he feels like, maybe even what he said he would do. But only then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 17:37:46 GMT 12
meanwhile old Luxon keeps quiet.Why because he has no come back as Nats dont have the answers either. NZ is fucked for next 10/15yrs. There are no pollies prepared to grab the tasks in hand and run with them to sort the problem out. Bit like the courts having a family conference.meanwhile the little shits carry on. This website should answer your questions. They already have a plan. The have a costed budget - only party to have one. They have policies already published, and with details. And based on tonight's poll, they will be forming a government... www.act.org.nz/Act party Yes for me.But Seymour needs to do one better than Peters. I can get your party in Luxon.But I want to be PM
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Post by eri on Nov 6, 2022 18:06:07 GMT 12
National and Act collectively are on 50.7 per cent, meaning they could take power together in next year’s election.The same cannot be said for Labour and the Greens, who together are on 41.8 per cent.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/latest-political-poll-reveals-whos-up-and-whos-down/4LYIWKCQJ5FBVKMDJADTZUOAKA/Jacinda Ardern fell to 29.9 per cent as preferred prime minister, a 6.9 per cent drop from the last poll.
Christopher Luxon also fell, with 21.5 per cent preferring him as prime minister, a 2.4 per cent drop.
David Seymour was the biggest winner in the preferred prime minister poll, up 2.2 per cent to 7.3 per cent.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 6, 2022 18:06:50 GMT 12
This is encouraging (a Nat / Act alliance could now take power with over 50.%): www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/latest-political-poll-reveals-whos-up-and-whos-down/4LYIWKCQJ5FBVKMDJADTZUOAKA/This reinforces the point I made in another post earlier today - the more idiotic and extreme the loonie left looks, the stronger the right-wing voter backlash. Nat / Act alliance absolutely will win the next election barring an unbelievable stuff-up or scandal on the right. The issue is how quickly they decide to reverse the damage from the last few years loony left policies and Māorification of NZ.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 18:06:56 GMT 12
I would say National not leading the polls because of LUXON rather the people are over ARDERN.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 6, 2022 18:57:48 GMT 12
I would say National not leading the polls because of LUXON rather the people are over ARDERN. Which is fine and the same way half the elections of the world are won (look at US, Europe, Brazil etc).
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Post by fish on Nov 6, 2022 19:21:53 GMT 12
I would say National not leading the polls because of LUXON rather the people are over ARDERN. Ardern won last time because Judith Collins was, well, Judith Collins. That is exactly why Luxon isn't putting out any policies: 1) he doesn't have to, and 2) there is risk he upsets someone if he actually states a position.
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Post by fish on Nov 6, 2022 19:24:50 GMT 12
Wonder if the Champaign is tasting a bit sour at the Labour Party Conference. Must smell like a dog turd on your shoe when you are having the last Party Conference before the election, gee-ing up the troops and blowing some smoke up everyones arses, and a poll comes out showing your are 9% behind the opposition and going backwards.
Wonder if the Maori Caucus are literate enough to read the news and add up the percentages... Labour need to ditch the Moari Caucus, 3 Waters and the whole co-governance thing faster than you'd ditch a dodgy ex who just got diagnosed with knob-rot... They might have a chance if they did that, but its fairly unlikely with Davis as Party Deputy and Mahuta holding every Ministerial role of any importance.
Shame Dr Sharma isn't there to tell us what is actually being said ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 22:21:01 GMT 12
National lost last time because the Maori party being indisiree.NO Sharples or Turia. Which allowed Labour Maori to capitalise.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Nov 7, 2022 7:27:51 GMT 12
Thru the extra 4 Maori seats.
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Post by fish on Nov 7, 2022 8:01:18 GMT 12
Adern says their internal polling is doing just fine. Wants to ignore Sunday's poll. Well, I'm assuming by internal polling, they are only polling Labour Party Members ;-) Don't think living in an echo chamber is going to help you win the election Luv. Maybe you should start actually listening to the voters, like me, who voted for you last time and put you in power... Ardern told Morning Report she took what was happening with the polls with "a grain of salt" as they were done so infrequently. "Publicly we used to have some of those big outlets doing quite frequent polls, the last Reid Research one I believe was in May. "We do ours much more regularly. Ours show we are neck-and-neck, so that's where I see we are currently and that seems to be a pretty accurate reflection probably of the mood right now." www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/478191/jacinda-ardern-taking-labour-s-drop-in-polls-with-a-grain-of-salt
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 13:10:35 GMT 12
Adern says their internal polling is doing just fine. Wants to ignore Sunday's poll. Well, I'm assuming by internal polling, they are only polling Labour Party Members ;-) Don't think living in an echo chamber is going to help you win the election Luv. Maybe you should start actually listening to the voters, like me, who voted for you last time and put you in power... Ardern told Morning Report she took what was happening with the polls with "a grain of salt" as they were done so infrequently. "Publicly we used to have some of those big outlets doing quite frequent polls, the last Reid Research one I believe was in May. "We do ours much more regularly. Ours show we are neck-and-neck, so that's where I see we are currently and that seems to be a pretty accurate reflection probably of the mood right now." www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/478191/jacinda-ardern-taking-labour-s-drop-in-polls-with-a-grain-of-salt I'm calling bullshit on Stalindas spin. And 12 things national will reverse. . i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130273077/12-things-the-national-party-says-it-will-repeal-reverse-and-scrap
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Post by Fogg on Nov 7, 2022 14:23:19 GMT 12
That’s a good list and will help a lot.
It’s says a lot when the opposition party can create a whole manifesto and parliamentary program of work based solely on reversing their predecessor’s policies. Without needing anything new.
I’d vote for that.
I like most of the list but would prefer they keep light rail and clean car allowances.
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