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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 15:09:41 GMT 12
Light rail for the Airport,not needed,all that is reguired is a branch line from Puhinui to the airport,not extend onehunga line with bridges etc Fair pay,why not,minimum wage is not a living wage,its survival only.One cannot get ahead or save when 40hr income is 860,rents 400 leaves fuck all.Dont forget most of our parents capitilised on family benefit/housing corp rates in the 60/70 bit of the 80s. car rebates,no,I pay enough income tax now,if you can afford a tesla 85k you can afford to pay full whack and its not saving the enviroment at all. www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/08/we-dont-need-solar-and-wind-to-save-the-climate-and-its-a-good-thing-too/?sh=786fa1d4e4de
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Post by Fogg on Nov 7, 2022 18:05:54 GMT 12
I don’t agree with government imposed minimum wages. Let the market decide. Nobody forces anyone to work in any job or accept any pay. If you don’t like the pay / conditions move on to another one. Or get another qualification and raise your aspirations.
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Post by eri on Nov 7, 2022 18:20:22 GMT 12
japan has much much better productivity than nz
the japanese minimum wage is about 1/2 nz's
and there's next to no 'zoning'
as property rights are paramount
we'll never reach japanese levels of productivity
because our tiny population has been taught the universe owes them a happy and fulfilling life for simply; eating, defecating and breeding
countries with large populations
have never had time for such lies
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Post by fish on Nov 7, 2022 18:47:40 GMT 12
I don't see the benefit of the tram to the airport. All you need is a bus. My Mum came up over Labour weekend, almost put her on the bus from Sky City, gets to the AP in 30 min, $12 for seniors. Why spend $10 billion when all you need is to import some bus drivers?
I'm surprised no-one is kicking up about Labours new ACC2.0 i.e. the income protection levy. Another 1.5% tax for something that no-one needs.
Speaking of ACC, anyone noticed how the levies are going up a fair bit?
Oh, and the Fair Pay agreement isn't about fair pay. It is about compulsory unionism. The Fair Pay name is spin only. Have a look at the details.
On the minimum wage, the value of a wage is relative to your living costs. I'd happily take a pay cut if my living costs dropped by more. If a govt can successfully tackle living costs, increase GDP per capita, etc, then you don't need to mess with minimum wages. It is hard to understand the detail in the noise, but eggs now cost more because the woksters wanted to legally mandate cage free hens. That law was passed 3 years ago, but the requirements are only kicking in now. Same with pigs, sow crates etc. That is before you even mention compliance costs, resource consents etc. Rules are making our food cost more. That is all before starting on the latest rules, winter grazing consents, fart tax, SMA's. Ditch the rules and our living costs will drop. This has nothing to do with covid or Liz Truss or the US bond market. Just too many nice to have rules...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 18:59:25 GMT 12
I don’t agree with government imposed minimum wages. Let the market decide. Nobody forces anyone to work in any job or accept any pay. If you don’t like the pay / conditions move on to another one. Or get another qualification and raise your aspirations. Words of a capitalist. Keep the unfortunate down where they belong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 19:03:43 GMT 12
I don't see the benefit of the tram to the airport. All you need is a bus. My Mum came up over Labour weekend, almost put her on the bus from Sky City, gets to the AP in 30 min, $12 for seniors. Why spend $10 billion when all you need is to import some bus drivers? I'm surprised no-one is kicking up about Labours new ACC2.0 i.e. the income protection levy. Another 1.5% tax for something that no-one needs. Speaking of ACC, anyone noticed how the levies are going up a fair bit? Oh, and the Fair Pay agreement isn't about fair pay. It is about compulsory unionism. The Fair Pay name is spin only. Have a look at the details. On the minimum wage, the value of a wage is relative to your living costs. I'd happily take a pay cut if my living costs dropped by more. If a govt can successfully tackle living costs, increase GDP per capita, etc, then you don't need to mess with minimum wages. It is hard to understand the detail in the noise, but eggs now cost more because the woksters wanted to legally mandate cage free hens. That law was passed 3 years ago, but the requirements are only kicking in now. Same with pigs, sow crates etc. That is before you even mention compliance costs, resource consents etc. Rules are making our food cost more. That is all before starting on the latest rules, winter grazing consents, fart tax, SMA's. Ditch the rules and our living costs will drop. This has nothing to do with covid or Liz Truss or the US bond market. Just too many nice to have rules... Deisil which most trucks use has gone from$1.45 to $2.60 these costs must be passed on. Nothing wrong with compulsary unionism. At the moment workers rights have been eroded,contracts no come back,gives the employer the right to set hours and $$ .I dont work public holidays yet my contract says I must.Fuck your time and half,much rather spend the day with family.
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Post by fish on Nov 7, 2022 19:56:01 GMT 12
I don't see the benefit of the tram to the airport. All you need is a bus. My Mum came up over Labour weekend, almost put her on the bus from Sky City, gets to the AP in 30 min, $12 for seniors. Why spend $10 billion when all you need is to import some bus drivers? I'm surprised no-one is kicking up about Labours new ACC2.0 i.e. the income protection levy. Another 1.5% tax for something that no-one needs. Speaking of ACC, anyone noticed how the levies are going up a fair bit? Oh, and the Fair Pay agreement isn't about fair pay. It is about compulsory unionism. The Fair Pay name is spin only. Have a look at the details. On the minimum wage, the value of a wage is relative to your living costs. I'd happily take a pay cut if my living costs dropped by more. If a govt can successfully tackle living costs, increase GDP per capita, etc, then you don't need to mess with minimum wages. It is hard to understand the detail in the noise, but eggs now cost more because the woksters wanted to legally mandate cage free hens. That law was passed 3 years ago, but the requirements are only kicking in now. Same with pigs, sow crates etc. That is before you even mention compliance costs, resource consents etc. Rules are making our food cost more. That is all before starting on the latest rules, winter grazing consents, fart tax, SMA's. Ditch the rules and our living costs will drop. This has nothing to do with covid or Liz Truss or the US bond market. Just too many nice to have rules... Deisil which most trucks use has gone from$1.45 to $2.60 these costs must be passed on. Nothing wrong with compulsary unionism. At the moment workers rights have been eroded,contracts no come back,gives the employer the right to set hours and $$ .I dont work public holidays yet my contract says I must.Fuck your time and half,much rather spend the day with family. Unionism is a double edged sword. If you don't want to work public holidays, but the union negotiates an agreement where 'everyone' must, then you are stuffed. There is no leeway to agree something suitable between yourself and your employer. It may be possible for you to obtain more money and conditions / hours that suit you better. Involving a union can be like involving a whole govt department of beuracracy in what should be a simple matter between you and your boss. Don't get me wrong, there is a place of unions. Normally where the employer is so big there is an imbalance of power, and there are no other options for the employee to go somewhere else. Nursing is a good example. So is teaching. I.e. where the govt is the employer. Private sector appears to be far better balanced, there being no major power imbalances. PS, not sure what the price of diesel has to do with anything in this thread?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 22:18:18 GMT 12
The diesil price has lots to do with GDP,you "fish" mentioned the price of eggs,of course they have to increase not because of free range but due to worker increase costs/transportation costs,which is a biggie now.The price of fuel effects everyone.
Rules are making our food cost more. Yes but if diesel was still cheaper than petrol then the cost wouldnt rise as much,$2.40+ruc
import container costs gone from $3k to 7k and rising
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Post by muzled on Nov 8, 2022 7:54:01 GMT 12
Group obedience, I like that, seems to sum the last few years up perfectly. spectator.com.au/2022/11/jacinda-just-go/Socialism revels in its cruelness when it thinks it acts in ‘the greater good’. It is the trashing of individual liberty and rights – fundamental to the construction of a liberal democracy – in favour of group obedience. Whether it is creating vaccinated groups, racial groups, or Net Zero groups, Ardern has carved New Zealand up into subservient and weak tribes.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 8, 2022 8:08:29 GMT 12
I don’t agree with government imposed minimum wages. Let the market decide. Nobody forces anyone to work in any job or accept any pay. If you don’t like the pay / conditions move on to another one. Or get another qualification and raise your aspirations. Words of a capitalist. Keep the unfortunate down where they belong. Not keeping anyone anywhere. Quite the opposite in fact. Giving everyone maximum freedom. So what’s stopping your ‘oppressed’ underpaid ‘slave’ from finding a better paid job? If they can’t find one, then maybe they don’t have the skills necessary to earn a higher wage in the modern world? In which case you want to take money from me and others to force us to pay higher wages to the lowest earners? Or put another way, you want the free market to pay them more than they are worth? Can you tell me any other example where you are happy to pay more than you think something is worth? And you’re quite happy for government to force you to pay more than it’s worth? I call that insanity. Or theft.
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Post by fish on Nov 8, 2022 9:17:01 GMT 12
The diesil price has lots to do with GDP,you "fish" mentioned the price of eggs,of course they have to increase not because of free range but due to worker increase costs/transportation costs,which is a biggie now.The price of fuel effects everyone. Rules are making our food cost more. Yes but if diesel was still cheaper than petrol then the cost wouldnt rise as much,$2.40+ruc import container costs gone from $3k to 7k and rising Yes, good point. But I was wanting to differentiate what is driving inflation. Fatty Robinson loves that diesel is going up, because he can point to that bad man Vladimir and say everything is more expensive because of the freight component, of which diesel is a large part, because of something that has happened on the other side of the world. It is very easy to spin. What I am wanting to highlight is the inflation due directly to Labour laws and policies. They always do this thing where they announce it, but don't implement it for 3 years or so. Eggs are a very good example of this with the cage free laws announced 3 or 4 years ago. My eggs used to be 37cents each, and now they are 54cents each... The same is happening to pig farming. But with pork it is loads easier to just import stuff, including from China and other places where they have fuck all animal welfare or environmental controls. Talk to a market gardener about compliance costs for their pesticide storage. Egg producers for egg labelling requirements. Orchardists for those stupid plastic stickers on every apple, orange, pear etc Now, I'm not a small business operator, so I know very little about the actual red tape in doing business. I do know a lot about red tape for land development. Huge cost impacts for new build houses because of the cumbersome and heavy regulatory environment. The obvious is gib board. There is no reason any other plasterboard can't be used, providing it has the bracing strength. but the regulatory hurdles to get approval in NZ is so high, and our market is so small that none of the international players can be bothered. So Winston keep the market cornered and held at ransom. The same assessment and compliance cost applies to almost every building component needed to build a house. Linking back to the price of diesel, how many trucking operators have trouble managing NZTA and the process of CoF's and whatnot? The process to adapt or modify a truck to improve efficiency or whatever is impossible. My father has a 6T truck (to tow his comedy big trailer home). It needs a 5th wheel installed, but he can't find an engineer or consultant that wants to deal with NZTA. The structural design and actual installation is straight forward. Getting NZTA signoff if not possible. This is the same type of truck that most drainlayers, landscape gardeners and owner operator contractors use. If you want to modify it for something particular for your type of work, you can't. Little hiab hoist? Nope. Modify tray to carry water tanks or oversized loads (maybe tiny homes) nope. Even to import one and get it certified to us as is is a major 3 month ball ache. That is 3 months of your capital tied up, and a major risk that you buy this truck, bring it in and can't even get it road legal, even though it is safe to drive. That is the type of rules and bureaucracy that is choking the country. And Fatty Robinson will just blame Vladimir...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 10:20:05 GMT 12
Words of a capitalist. Keep the unfortunate down where they belong. Not keeping anyone anywhere. Quite the opposite in fact. Giving everyone maximum freedom. So what’s stopping your ‘oppressed’ underpaid ‘slave’ from finding a better paid job? If they can’t find one, then maybe they don’t have the skills necessary to earn a higher wage in the modern world? In which case you want to take money from me and others to force us to pay higher wages to the lowest earners? Or put another way, you want the free market to pay them more than they are worth? Can you tell me any other example where you are happy to pay more than you think something is worth? And you’re quite happy for government to force you to pay more than it’s worth? I call that insanity. Or theft. The transport industry is paying well above minimum wage for "Fuckwits" we have several fulltime and temps that we are paying top $$ for because we need staff,if there was surplus of good drivers rates would drop tonight. currently paying $33 + %10 for starting before 4.0am and Saturday a further %10. There is one well known company now owned by a major nz company that advertises we will pay up to $38 and still cant get drivers. McDS cant get staff in other regions paying minimum ,why work there when you can get $28.50 in a rural pack house unqualified. Unfortunately employers are now in a position of do I pay more for fuckwits or shut up shop.I know what I would be doing,shutting shop and earning a wage when you look at verses employer/accountant/tax collector/compliance costs/acc etc Know of one trailer repair shop that the owner closed and now works for a fabricator,7.30 to 4.00 and earning more than employing 5 staff. No headaches. Need more immigrants so greedy employers can rip them off knowing full well they need employment.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 8, 2022 11:44:58 GMT 12
Ok but that’s normal supply & demand ie you’re paying more than you’d like because too many jobs and not enough people. It’s not the minimum wage that is directly driving up costs in this scenario.
In fact the minimum wage is probably your worst envy here because it’s artificially holding up the wages for most basic jobs which in turn holds up wages for jobs higher up the ladder.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 15:45:15 GMT 12
I don't see the benefit of the tram to the airport. All you need is a bus. My Mum came up over Labour weekend, almost put her on the bus from Sky City, gets to the AP in 30 min, $12 for seniors. Why spend $10 billion when all you need is to import some bus drivers? I'm surprised no-one is kicking up about Labours new ACC2.0 i.e. the income protection levy. Another 1.5% tax for something that no-one needs. Speaking of ACC, anyone noticed how the levies are going up a fair bit? Oh, and the Fair Pay agreement isn't about fair pay. It is about compulsory unionism. The Fair Pay name is spin only. Have a look at the details. On the minimum wage, the value of a wage is relative to your living costs. I'd happily take a pay cut if my living costs dropped by more. If a govt can successfully tackle living costs, increase GDP per capita, etc, then you don't need to mess with minimum wages. It is hard to understand the detail in the noise, but eggs now cost more because the woksters wanted to legally mandate cage free hens. That law was passed 3 years ago, but the requirements are only kicking in now. Same with pigs, sow crates etc. That is before you even mention compliance costs, resource consents etc. Rules are making our food cost more. That is all before starting on the latest rules, winter grazing consents, fart tax, SMA's. Ditch the rules and our living costs will drop. This has nothing to do with covid or Liz Truss or the US bond market. Just too many nice to have rules... bro. Trams slow down traffic. Julianne GENTER and her urban planning fucktard husband want rid of cars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 15:49:16 GMT 12
Ok but that’s normal supply & demand ie you’re paying more than you’d like because too many jobs and not enough people. It’s not the minimum wage that is directly driving up costs in this scenario. In fact the minimum wage is probably your worst envy here because it’s artificially holding up the wages for most basic jobs which in turn holds up wages for jobs higher up the ladder. Johny warehouse packer gets 10% so his offsider, who has worked 1 year longer, has to get 10%, so their boss gets 10%, so on so forth, then the owner just increases prices to get his margin back.
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