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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 20, 2023 13:16:44 GMT 12
or the many years of chaos that washed over Labour after the departure of Helen Clark
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Post by dutyfree on Jan 20, 2023 14:56:18 GMT 12
Indigenous.
Cambridge Dictionary - used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else Now Maori acknowledge and celebrate that they came somewhere else. In that sense they are the first settlers, they are not indigenous. Websters go for a different view based on who got there first and bring in the colonization and "dominance" - relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonized by a now-dominant group So depending upon how far back you want to go, you are basically talking about who got there first if you want to claim "indigenous". Then we get to the confusion about ethnicity and I think skin colour. What does European actually mean? My family came from variously Scotland, Wales and England. Prior to that they came from??? Need to test my DNA. My family has been in NZ since 1815. Am I european??? I am a citizen of a single country, New Zealand. I am consequently a New Zealander, not a european.
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Post by eri on Jan 20, 2023 18:50:50 GMT 12
Political Roundup: Why Jacinda Ardern’s resignation changes everythingShould New Zealand have a snap election? That’s one of the questions arising out of the chaos of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s shock resignation.There’s an increased realisation that everything has changed, and the old plans and assumptions for election year have suddenly evaporated. So, although Ardern has named an election date of 14 October there’s some good reason for the new prime minister to bring that forward to, say, March.... that is essentially why Ardern bailed out yesterday. She could see the writing on the wall, and was smart enough to get out before the going got much tougher, and her government was thrown out. It’s better to retire early as an undefeated prime minister than face the ignominy of being beaten by Christopher Luxon.Broadcaster Rachel Smalley writes today in favour of an earlier election: “Labour will come under enormous public pressure to bring forward the election.
It is unthinkable that we can sit in a rudderless void with Chris Hipkins or Michael Wood at the helm of the Government, lurching our way through a recession, and waiting for an election in October. Neither of those people, neither Hipkins nor Wood will make any decisions, we’ll just sit and tread water. Now the country, this is the reality, it needs a war-time leader and Labour does not have one waiting in the wings.”eveningreport.nz/2023/01/20/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-why-jacinda-arderns-resignation-changes-everything/and the subtext to me at leastis that tons of labour's backbench want a tactical withdrawal, not a rout, not a bloodbath that costs them their seats and gives act/national such a sizeable mandate that they can tear up labour's secret, non-manifesto, woke-advances and say it's what the people rejected them
... but the new labour mp will need to keep in mind that the australian public are so sick of early elections called purely for political reasons that they savage the party that calls them so they should, and so should we
labour's boss, chose the date
labour should live with it
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Post by eri on Jan 21, 2023 8:03:55 GMT 12
All policy programmes should be decided with an eye on the much-fabled swing voter, a third of whom voted for Labour in 2020 but have now declared they’re voting for someone else in 2023.That swing voter is around 52 years old, more likely to be female and Pākehā, with an average household income of between $102,000 and $149,000 and living in their own home.While describing themselves as just right-of-centre, most worry that income differences are too large, that the government should provide a decent living for the unemployed, while at the same time believing that welfare benefits should stay the same. Most hold the view that the Treaty settlement process has gone far enough, which goes some way to explaining National’s position on Three Waters and co-governance.www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131022042/arderns-departure-moves-the-heat-on-to-luxonhipkins is the front runner but he won't get anywhere without the support of the labour maori caucus, so what will he have to promise them? the labour maori caucus don't really care about labour they don't really care about democracy and they think the swing-voter is wrong the stuff story above is all about what national, in opposition, needing to tell the electorate of their plans but the country is where it is right now largely because the maori labour caucus, in gov., hasn't truthfully told voters the extent of their plans until they do so, swing-voters have every reason to judge them by the actions, which is following the hepuapua report to ethno-national separatism with them holding more power and rights than anyone else, and no democratic oversight if hipkins wants to get into bed with that devil, secretly or otherwise
his political life deserves to be very short
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Post by eri on Jan 21, 2023 8:45:24 GMT 12
Seems they have confirmed hipkins, only 1 to put his name forward
will be rubber-stamped tomorrow
Next question, does he have plans to call an early election?
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jan 21, 2023 8:47:49 GMT 12
Brilliant. Hipkins is either going to accept the Maori corcus 😜😂(core cuz) or not?
I'd say he will, and he will carry on the same as Cindy.
So he's fucked.. unless he doesn't and kicks them to touch! I doubt the woke labourites will do that!
More of the same coning. Their fucked
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jan 21, 2023 8:48:57 GMT 12
Brilliant. Hipkins is either going to accept the Maori corcus 😜😂(core cuz) or not? I'd say he will, and he will carry on the same as Cindy. So he's fucked.. unless he doesn't and kicks them to touch! I doubt the woke labourites will do that! More of the same coni so he hng. Their fucked so he is A male Cindy!..
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Post by muzled on Jan 21, 2023 9:23:07 GMT 12
Next question, does he have plans to call an early election? Just reading Bryce Edwards on this. Further proof that Ardern is so far up her own arse that she actually pinned a date on the election as she quit! The lady has no shame. What’s more, there are some questions about whether Ardern should even have used her prerogative to set the election date unilaterally given that she was resigning – many might see that this should be a question for the new PM, not the old
democracyproject.nz/2023/01/20/bryce-edwards-why-jacinda-arderns-resignation-changes-everything/
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jan 21, 2023 10:52:12 GMT 12
Bro's ! Here's the plan.
Leave the cunts in there to fuck it up completely.
That will sort the poor, homeless, bludgers, ram raiders, gangs, and Maori leadership out for ever.
They'll be here alone fighting each other to death... Like the old old days. While the test of us are in the west isles.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 21, 2023 11:24:55 GMT 12
if you want a quick brief on Hipkin's nature www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/01/prime_minister_hipkins.htmlAs expected, Chris Hipkins has become the presumptive Prime Minister. I’ll blog in more detail on him, but for now will share this analysis at Radio NZ by Brigitte Morton who reminds us he has often been an attack dog for Labour, and a different style will be needed as PM. She covers:In October 2021, Northland was sent in to an 11-day lockdown after three allegedly “sex workers” with possible gang connections crossed the Auckland border. Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins accused them of using “false information to travel across the border”. But it was later revealed through OIAs that Hipkins knew at the time that a blunder by officials had been the reason and the women were at no fault at all. He has never apologised or corrected the record, nor has he bothered to even correct the reports that these were gang-related sex workers.In the case of Charlotte Bellis, he was forced to apologise and correct the record. But only because the Kiwi journalist, then pregnant and stuck in Afghanistan took legal action. Hipkins, in his defence of the government’s MIQ system used Bellis’ personal information as a political weapon and made incorrect statements about her circumstances, including that she ignore consular assistance.Late last year, in defence of the Minister for Local Government Nanaia Mahuta and government contracts awarded to her husband, Hipkins dragged Bill English and his family in to the response. He later made an apology to Parliament withdrawing his comments.In 2017, in what was perhaps the most concerning case of questionable judgment, Hipkins used Parliament to dig up dirt for the Australian Labor Party. At the time, the Australian federal government was rocked by citizenship sagas. A number of MPs and senators were forced to resign after it was discovered they unconstitutionally held dual citizenships. Hipkins used parliamentary questions to get information on the status of then Australian deputy prime minister.This is not entirely surprising as his first job in politics was three years as a senior advisor to Trevor Mallard!Chris is a likeable nice guy, but he is also willing to play the man, not the ball, and I suspect we will see Labour get more aggressive in trying to smear Luxon.Don't forget Chippie is currently Minister of Police and Education- and aren't things going just great in those 2 portfolios!
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Post by eri on Jan 21, 2023 11:32:40 GMT 12
A Taxpayers’ Union-Curia Poll, which ran on Thursday and Friday, found Hipkins to be the most popular choice to replace Jacinda Ardern, winning 30 per cent of support among the public.He was followed by Kiritapu Allan, who polled 10 per cent, Nanaia Mahuta with 8 per cent and Michael Wood on 6 per cent.But none of the candidates produced a convincing majority among people polled - the most common response was “unsure”, on 41 per cent.Taxpayers’ Union executive director Jordan Williams, who commissioned the poll, had said “the only option is Chris Hipkins”.Hipkins was supported by 30 per cent of National, 28 per cent of Act, and 20 per cent of “other” voters, suggesting widespread support.Williams said this showed Hipkins was the only candidate who could appeal not just to rusted-on Labour and Greens supporters, but also among marginal voters Labour will need to win. “Based on this snap poll, every other leadership contender would lose votes for Labour,” Williams said.
On the basis of this poll, voters are keen to ditch Three Waters reforms; 58 per cent of people want the policy gone, and only 18 per cent support it.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-hipkins-most-popular-labour-leaderhship-contender-with-public-poll/NYVJGIHZXVERLD7TLWQMXCWYLY/looks like kelvin has been changed for sepuloni as deputy leader
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jan 21, 2023 11:51:00 GMT 12
It'll be less of the same!
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Post by GO30 on Jan 22, 2023 11:25:18 GMT 12
In that sense they are the first settlers, they are not indigenous.
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Yeap Id have zero issue calling Maori 'the first settlers' as they were..as far as were know currently.
Doing that acknowledges that important fact without having to politicise words or tweat history as much as is happening.
And anyone who uses the word 'colonise' gets beaten as even the first settlers were colonisers.
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jan 22, 2023 15:28:04 GMT 12
Yeah but it was not colonising. It was liberation and saved more lives than were taken!
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Post by eri on Jan 22, 2023 17:46:04 GMT 12
correction
kelvin is still deputy party leader
sepuloni is deputy prime minister
(the positions are usually, but not always, together)
Asked how his Govt would interact with media, Hipkins said he had a different style to Ardern and thought he had shown that he would be accessible to NZ media as much as he could.
back on morning zb radio then with hoskins?
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