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Post by eri on May 5, 2023 16:44:04 GMT 12
bryce of the waka-jumper - grubby all round Whaitiri was elected in Ikaroa-Rāwhiti as a Labour MP, but by deciding she is now a Te Pāti Māori MP she has disregarded that mandate. The principled course of action would have been for Whaitiri to stay with the Labour Party until the election, and then seek re-election for another party. The alternative would be to resign from Parliament and commence her campaign as a candidate for Te Pāti Māori.The proportionality of Parliament has been distorted – something that the Labour Government previously stated as a reason for bringing in the waka jumping law, which Whaitiri has been able to step around. It is clear that both Te Pāti Māori and Labour have done everything they can to prevent Whaitiri from being ejected from Parliament under the waka jumping law.Labour wants to avoid souring their relationship with Te Pāti Māori because their path back to power after the election is likely to be predicated on that party’s support. Labour has obviously calculated that to invoke the waka-jumping legislation – which they have every right and ability to do – would not be in their interests, even if it would be the principled thing to do. It also appears that Labour and its Speaker have bent over backwards to prevent Whaitiri from inadvertently triggering the legislation.
The Integrity of Parliament is in question
Much of the public will view Whaitiri’s ability to stay in Parliament as a stitch-up. The decision by the Speaker appears nonsensical in a way that can only be explained by the self-interest of Labour and Te Pāti Māori.
Now the Speaker simply expects the public to trust him on this big issue of public interest, and won’t allow the public to have the details of the negotiations and communications with Whaitiri and Te Pāti Māori. But the lack of transparency means the public has no way of judging whether the Speaker’s decision was correct, or whether he has abused his position.
Although the Speaker and Te Pāti Māori are essentially claiming these issues are internal matters, there is a case to be made that all of the information should be released to the public.
As RNZ’s Tim Watkin argues, “These are essentially public matters, not private ones.”
Te Pāti Māori’s lack of mana eveningreport.nz/2023/05/05/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-no-ones-mana-is-enhanced-by-the-meka-whaitiri-defection/
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Post by muzled on May 5, 2023 17:13:18 GMT 12
bryce of the waka-jumper - grubby all round Whaitiri was elected in Ikaroa-Rāwhiti as a Labour MP, but by deciding she is now a Te Pāti Māori MP she has disregarded that mandate. The principled course of action would have been for Whaitiri to stay with the Labour Party until the election, and then seek re-election for another party. The alternative would be to resign from Parliament and commence her campaign as a candidate for Te Pāti Māori.The proportionality of Parliament has been distorted – something that the Labour Government previously stated as a reason for bringing in the waka jumping law, which Whaitiri has been able to step around. It is clear that both Te Pāti Māori and Labour have done everything they can to prevent Whaitiri from being ejected from Parliament under the waka jumping law.Labour wants to avoid souring their relationship with Te Pāti Māori because their path back to power after the election is likely to be predicated on that party’s support. Labour has obviously calculated that to invoke the waka-jumping legislation – which they have every right and ability to do – would not be in their interests, even if it would be the principled thing to do. It also appears that Labour and its Speaker have bent over backwards to prevent Whaitiri from inadvertently triggering the legislation.
The Integrity of Parliament is in question
Much of the public will view Whaitiri’s ability to stay in Parliament as a stitch-up. The decision by the Speaker appears nonsensical in a way that can only be explained by the self-interest of Labour and Te Pāti Māori.
Now the Speaker simply expects the public to trust him on this big issue of public interest, and won’t allow the public to have the details of the negotiations and communications with Whaitiri and Te Pāti Māori. But the lack of transparency means the public has no way of judging whether the Speaker’s decision was correct, or whether he has abused his position.
Although the Speaker and Te Pāti Māori are essentially claiming these issues are internal matters, there is a case to be made that all of the information should be released to the public.
As RNZ’s Tim Watkin argues, “These are essentially public matters, not private ones.”
Te Pāti Māori’s lack of mana eveningreport.nz/2023/05/05/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-no-ones-mana-is-enhanced-by-the-meka-whaitiri-defection/Plunkett did an interview with Edwards today, I was quite surprised how critical Edwards was, I thought he'd be much more on the fence, the fact that he was very blunt is quite telling. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/bryce-edwards-slams-the-sham-of-the-waka-jumping-bill
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Post by eri on May 5, 2023 18:32:47 GMT 12
as a lecturer in politics at victoria uni and head of the democracy project
for years bryce has been banging on about the need for; open, honest + transparent gov. that says what it's going to do, then does it
his current campaign is for laws limiting lobbyist etc
this kind of backroom deal between opportunists to flout the law, (they wrote), to work against the majority of nz'ers would really piss him off
because like the teen ram-raiders
if there isn't a strong enough response to this kind of; selfish, narcissistic, tribal action
it becomes the new lower benchmark of acceptable behaviour for everyone
hence a race to bottom
which the radical left has always excelled at
nz's future edging ever closer to the slowly collapsing states of south africa, zimbabwae and venezuela
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Post by armchairadmiral on May 5, 2023 20:15:49 GMT 12
Edging??? ....really. From where I sit this bunch of crooked amateurs are just more successful at hiding it. The real situation will come to light at a change of guvmit. Even I am astounded at their incompetence, dishonesty, lack of integrity, nepotism ,hypocrisy, self agrandisement and total disregard for the population that was suckered into voting for them. NZ won't recover from this in our time. It took 50 yrs to be rid of that despot Muldoon
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Post by muzled on May 8, 2023 9:44:57 GMT 12
The more Tamihere speaks the more I shake my head in disbelief.
Surely the co-covernance part of 5 waters is a Maori idea. It was most certainly driven front and centre by Mahuta the loota.
Yet the fact that no one can explain it is the all the fault of the honky savage colonisers. Nothing to do with the Maori leadership in charge of the whole shemozzle.
(Thomas Cranmers latest)
Meka Whaitiri's Departure from the Labour Party: A Wake-up Call for the Māori Caucus
The broader question posed by Whaitiri’s move is where the Māori caucus is more effective: inside or outside Labour?
Jacinda Ardern may have left New Zealand politics but her announcement in mid-January that she would step down as Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party seems to have set the tone for much soul-searching by MPs during this election year.
Most notable has been the announcement made last week by Labour Minister Meka Whaitiri that she intended to resign from the Labour Party and join Te Pāti Māori with immediate effective. Much of the commentary that followed focused on her somewhat messy departure and whether she had in fact resigned as a Labour Party MP or had merely indicated to the Speaker of the House that her proxy vote would now be with Te Pāti Māori.
However, the more pertinent question is why Whaitiri decided to make the move in the first place. Although she remains tight-lipped about her reasons, there were some early hints.
Cabinet colleague Kiri Allan reported that when she was dispatched on behalf of her party to confirm with Whaitiri that this was her final decision, Whaitiri responded by asking whether Allan wanted to join her.
At almost the same time Te Pāti Māori President, John Tamihere was extending a public invitation to Minister Mahuta in an interview with Newsroom saying, “If Nanaia feels there’s something awry with the way she was treated, she knows what she can do.”
Clearly Te Pāti Māori is on a major recruitment drive and is targeting the Māori caucus. That point was underlined by Tamihere who stated in the same interview that, “If I had a dream, it would be that we end up like the Greens in Germany, a constant present in Government. That’s where we want to land.”
Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi made a similar point on Saturday’s Newshub Nation when he stated, “I can assure you, that Te Pāti Māori will be the kingmaker come October.”
The broader question posed by Whaitiri’s move is where the Māori caucus is more effective: inside or outside Labour? Undoubtedly, this is a question that members of Labour’s Māori caucus will be asking themselves.
Under Ardern, the Māori caucus obtained some major policy wins including the introduction of the Māori Health Authority and the Office for Māori Crown Relations (Te Arawhiti) and was widely considered to wield significant influence around the Cabinet table.
However, the political winds have clearly changed with Prime Minister Hipkins now calling the shots. The proposed TVNZ/RNZ merger, along with other initiatives, were called off earlier this year, and progress on the implementation of the United Nations Declaration of Indigenous Peoples has been paused.
In January, incoming Prime Minister Chris Hipkins offered an early opinion on the hot topic of co-governance, saying “no one understands what [co-governance] means because we’re talking about quite different things”.
That point was acknowledged by Tamihere when he stated, “A problem for Māori is we never had proper advocacy from Pākehā leadership, and we’ve seen that in Three Waters and co-governance.”
Although Three Waters has survived a review by Hipkins with only modest amendments, its implementation has undoubtedly been slowed and its chief architect, Minister Mahuta, has been sidelined. In addition, the fallout from last year’s Public Service Commission investigation into government contracts awarded to Mahuta’s husband, Gannin Ormsby, continues to reverberate.
As reported by the NZ Herald on Saturday, a bid by Ormsby for a formal apology from the Department of Conservation has only recently been rejected by the department. Ormsby alleged that DOC had mismanaged his contract and had given inaccurate information to the Herald which had been used to target the Minister. In early December, Ormsby wrote to DOC stating that, “This was detrimental to our reputation, and consequently used to fuel the targeted political slander of Minister Mahuta.”
Despite the Department of Conservation rejecting Ormsby’s accusations, he lodged a second formal complaint on December 19th with Chief Executive Penny Nelson, copying Minister Poto Williams. It has taken several months for that second complaint to be formally closed.
However, as recently as mid-April, it is understood that Ormsby discussed these issues directly with John Tamihere. Clearly Mahuta is being courted, publicly and privately, by Te Pāti Māori. However, whether she moves is another story entirely. Particularly in response to overtures from Tamihere - whom Mahuta described as a “sexist, failed politician” in 2011. Furthermore, the fact that Mahuta did not leave the Labour Party over the foreshore and seabed controversy in 2004, unlike Tariana Turia, suggests that she is likely to remain in the party.
In any event, only time will tell whether Mahuta or any of her Labour Party colleagues will follow Whaitiri to Te Pāti Māori.
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 8, 2023 10:10:51 GMT 12
Can anyone please explain to me why New Zealand still has racist seats in parliament?
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Post by ComfortZone on May 8, 2023 12:44:49 GMT 12
Interesting perspective from Chris Trotter on the Greens bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2023/05/is-it-game-over-for-greens.htmlWhat the Greens are slowly but surely turning into was always there in the political movement they inherited from the Values Party. When push comes to shove, the Greens, like the majority of the Values Party membership before them, will always break in the direction of the middle-class idealism out of which both parties were born. Logically, Greens should be socialists: if this planet’s a corporation, it’s a corpse. In reality, however, the Greens are social-liberals. How else to explain the fact that the party secures the bulk of its support from the well-heeled professionals inhabiting the nation’s leafier suburbs – and their children?The Greens are socialists, hence the appropriate "Water Melon" label
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Post by eri on May 9, 2023 20:12:39 GMT 12
“Hipkins’ management of his own party and the wider left block does look careless at the moment, even if it isn’t,” says Coughlan. “ The MPs in this block seem to value their personal ambitions more than presenting a united front to voters and more than the concerns of their constituents. And if their own advancement is what they value, it’s possible that their constituents will cast their votes with someone else.” Coughlan goes on to say that voters have a very low tolerance for disunity and disorder - something which sets this country apart from nations like the United States or Britain, which seem to have come to accept chaos as part of the political process.“ New Zealand voters don’t tolerate chaos at all, so I would think it’s really up to Hipkins and his MPs, whether they want to suck it up and get a third term.” www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-front-page-is-labour-facing-a-coalition-of-chaos-amid-developments-at-te-pati-maori-and-the-greens/VC5RBUT77NH5DL2IEYWJ7BO6YQ/
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Post by chariot on May 10, 2023 12:28:29 GMT 12
Have just read that Luxon has ruled out going into coalition with the Māori party.
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Post by muzled on May 10, 2023 13:38:11 GMT 12
Have just read that Luxon has ruled out going into coalition with the Māori party. He must have had that up his sleeve for some time. But it was very nicely timed to announce it while the Maori party are busy stealing Labour MPs and acting like farkwits in the house. TPM were never going to be kingmakers, they only played that up so they could bleed more from Labour when they went into negotiations. I don't have much time for Luxon but he played this very well. 'tips hat'
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Post by eri on May 10, 2023 16:07:07 GMT 12
"It's clear that there is a very wide gulf between our parties on important matters.
"For example, National believes New Zealand is one country with one standard of citizenship, meaning one person, one vote.
"We are one country. We have a single system for the delivery of public services. Those public services meet people on the basis of their needs not their ethnicity, and we're all equal under the law, one person, one vote.
He said National was "deeply committed" to outcomes for Māori.
"I just don't believe that separate systems are the way that we need to do that."
He said he wanted to make it clear "a vote for Labour, a vote for the Greens, or a vote for Te Pāti Māori, is a vote for a coalition of chaos with more economic mismanagement".
"What is obvious to me is that we have a Māori Party that is pursuing a separatist, more radical agenda.
"The focus of this Māori Party at this time in this generation is very much on constitutional arrangements, and it's talking about having a separate Parliament, it's wanting separate voting rights, it's wanting not full and final Treaty settlement payments.
"What New Zealanders really need right now is none of this stuff - none of this stuff that's been happening in Wellington over the past week."www.1news.co.nz/2023/05/10/national-says-te-pati-maori-separatist-and-radical/
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Post by eri on May 10, 2023 16:34:25 GMT 12
the green party response to the obviously true statement
"Te Pāti Māori are radical and separatist"
is to call the statement
"lazy, dog-whistling racism"
clearly stating the obvious will be a crime in a woke-green nightmare future
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Post by fish on May 11, 2023 12:35:00 GMT 12
the green party response to the obviously true statement "Te Pāti Māori are radical and separatist" is to call the statement "lazy, dog-whistling racism" clearly stating the obvious will be a crime in a woke-green nightmare future A key Maori party policy is a separate Maori Parliament. To then deny they are separatist is to call black, white. To say the sun rises in the West. This nonsense is winding me up so much I think it would be better for my mental health if I stopped following politics. I can handle policies I disagree with, but to then blatantly deny what you stand for, and call everyone else liers, or dog whistle, I can't handle that.
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Post by harrytom on May 11, 2023 13:23:55 GMT 12
Whats wrong with this poll from the herald??
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 11, 2023 13:36:41 GMT 12
They are so use to have red on top!!!!!
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