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Post by Cantab on Oct 20, 2022 17:48:28 GMT 12
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Post by dutyfree on Oct 20, 2022 19:35:44 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article. Interesting to see you are a professor of political science. Not a topic I have studied, but in the vast distance of time I studied economics and so I look at your article through the lense of a center right voter, believer in free markets (not unregulated markets which people confuse), free speech (not modern definitions, but the standard historic NZ definition) and occasional thinker (usually too busy with work thinking  ). I view the continuum of left to right as a circle. As you approach the extremes, they start to look like each other. A classic recent article by an NZ left wing political blogger and political commentator is below. As he says, it was all great until they did not like the outcome - people did not think like they wanted them too. bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-grapes-arent-sour-theyre-just-not.htmlChange the locations and parties and it reads like Trump disputing the USA election, but in this case is a leftwing commentator calling the left out for their sour grapes over losing. When i look at politics I see the manifestation of incentives and agency problems. Politicians elected by people they never know. Politicians with their own personal agendas that they do not disclose. Lobbied by people with their own agendas who never voted for them. As Winston Churchill said, "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.β¦β While I think of shifts in all manner of thinking as pendulums, that by their very nature self correct to the middle, the pendulum also heads off for periods of time away from what any one person agrees with and at any given time reflects only a portion (imagine a pendulum swinging across a bell curve). There are always people with extreme views, they get more airtime than they should (but we live in democracies) and at times they get a disproportionate amount of time. Eventually I believe the majority, who are really just trying to live their lives, dont follow politics, dont care about debates in parliament, run out of patience as the extreme views dominate and they start the pendulum back the other way. The downfall of democracies will come when the extremes drive the pendulum higher and further from the centre. I believe the magnitude of the swing will destroy democracy. I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 20:06:37 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article. Interesting to see you are a professor of political science. Not a topic I have studied, but in the vast distance of time I studied economics and so I look at your article through the lense of a center right voter, believer in free markets (not unregulated markets which people confuse), free speech (not modern definitions, but the standard historic NZ definition) and occasional thinker (usually too busy with work thinking ). I view the continuum of left to right as a circle. As you approach the extremes, they start to look like each other. A classic recent article by an NZ left wing political blogger and political commentator is below. As he says, it was all great until they did not like the outcome - people did not think like they wanted them too. bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-grapes-arent-sour-theyre-just-not.htmlChange the locations and parties and it reads like Trump disputing the USA election, but in this case is a leftwing commentator calling the left out for their sour grapes over losing. When i look at politics I see the manifestation of incentives and agency problems. Politicians elected by people they never know. Politicians with their own personal agendas that they do not disclose. Lobbied by people with their own agendas who never voted for them. As Winston Churchill said, "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.β¦β While I think of shifts in all manner of thinking as pendulums, that by their very nature self correct to the middle, the pendulum also heads off for periods of time away from what any one person agrees with and at any given time reflects only a portion (imagine a pendulum swinging across a bell curve). There are always people with extreme views, they get more airtime than they should (but we live in democracies) and at times they get a disproportionate amount of time. Eventually I believe the majority, who are really just trying to live their lives, dont follow politics, dont care about debates in parliament, run out of patience as the extreme views dominate and they start the pendulum back the other way. The downfall of democracies will come when the extremes drive the pendulum higher and further from the centre. I believe the magnitude of the swing will destroy democracy. I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. a professor of political science πππππ political bull shit more like it... Politics is not a Fucking science! It's wankery! As for AJ ... What kind of professor cannot comment on politics of Stalinda Ardern yet bag the right at every opportunity.... Real Political professors do not publicly take one side of the political spectrum on one hand and pretend to be a unbiased/ balanced observer/commentator on the other. A J has zero cred if he has been reduced to commenting/trolling on many sailing sites from SA to Cruisers Forum, to Crew.net but has now ended up here selling his left wing American myopic history lessons to 15 kiwi sailors! Oh how the " un-mighty" have fallen! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 20:16:03 GMT 12
Heard WB on ZB this morning. If he can do what he says he'll be a front runner for me for PM next election. What a breath of fresh air. But the bureaucracy / lefty councillors will be rallying to frustrate the new initiative / direction. And the more they can delay the greater the opportunity to beat him. And then he will look like just another useless pollie....but I'm 100% support just listened to the playback. WB just stands out as a great honest mayor wanting to stop the wasted billions, grandiose schemes of the many non productive department's, and overpaid useless CEOs... And give the people what they want rather than forcing expensive council anti car/ green / Maori bullshit Down Aucklanders throats via their wallet's. |
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Post by fish on Oct 20, 2022 20:31:05 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article. Interesting to see you are a professor of political science. Not a topic I have studied, but in the vast distance of time I studied economics and so I look at your article through the lense of a center right voter, believer in free markets (not unregulated markets which people confuse), free speech (not modern definitions, but the standard historic NZ definition) and occasional thinker (usually too busy with work thinking ). I view the continuum of left to right as a circle. As you approach the extremes, they start to look like each other. A classic recent article by an NZ left wing political blogger and political commentator is below. As he says, it was all great until they did not like the outcome - people did not think like they wanted them too. bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-grapes-arent-sour-theyre-just-not.htmlChange the locations and parties and it reads like Trump disputing the USA election, but in this case is a leftwing commentator calling the left out for their sour grapes over losing. When i look at politics I see the manifestation of incentives and agency problems. Politicians elected by people they never know. Politicians with their own personal agendas that they do not disclose. Lobbied by people with their own agendas who never voted for them. As Winston Churchill said, "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.β¦β While I think of shifts in all manner of thinking as pendulums, that by their very nature self correct to the middle, the pendulum also heads off for periods of time away from what any one person agrees with and at any given time reflects only a portion (imagine a pendulum swinging across a bell curve). There are always people with extreme views, they get more airtime than they should (but we live in democracies) and at times they get a disproportionate amount of time. Eventually I believe the majority, who are really just trying to live their lives, dont follow politics, dont care about debates in parliament, run out of patience as the extreme views dominate and they start the pendulum back the other way. The downfall of democracies will come when the extremes drive the pendulum higher and further from the centre. I believe the magnitude of the swing will destroy democracy. I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. a professor of political science πππππ political bull shit more like it... Politics is not a Fucking science! It's wankery! As for AJ ... What kind of professor cannot comment on politics of Stalinda Ardern yet bag the right at every opportunity.... Real Political professors do not publicly take one side of the political spectrum on one hand and pretend to be a unbiased/ balanced observer/commentator on the other. A J has zero cred if he has been reduced to commenting/trolling on many sailing sites from SA to Cruisers Forum, to Crew.net but has now ended up here selling his left wing American myopic history lessons to 15 kiwi sailors! Oh how the " un-mighty" have fallen! You are getting embarrassing. Can you let it go? Of, if you can't manage that, leave the personal attacks out of it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 22:09:22 GMT 12
No way Fish
Until AJ fronts up I will continue.
AJ is just a troll.
His history at other sites is laden with left wing rantings and failure to get any traction and now he is here preaching yet won't answer a simple a question despite his supposed credentials.
If he can't honour his commitment to answer my question he is just a troll.
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Post by ajoliver on Oct 21, 2022 6:36:06 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article. I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. Sounds like you and I are about 90% in agreement. One thing though - I think we have an obligation to correct historic injustices as best we can. There is a city in Northern California, Eureka, that gave back an island in Humboldt Bay to the Wiyot people 160 years after it was seized by US settlers following a brutal massacre . . . I cheered that. Look at how many people are in the photo of the transfer ceremony .. www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-22/eureka-wiyot-indian-island Also recently, this happened too . . . good !! "Nearly 100 years after a Black couple's beachfront property was taken away by a Southern California city, Los Angeles County voted unanimously on Tuesday to return the land to the family in what officials described as an effort to βright the wrongs of the past."" And furthermore, I aspire to wokeism, and try to become more woke every day. And back in my teaching days I tried to help my students become woke as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 7:08:24 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article.Β I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. Sounds like you and I are about 90% in agreement.Β One thing though - I think we have an obligation to correct historic injustices as best we can. There is a city in Northern California, Eureka, that gave back an island in Humboldt Bay to the Wiyot people 160 years after it was seized by US settlers following a brutal massacre . . .Β Β I cheered that.Β Look at how many people are in the photo of the transfer ceremony ..Β Β www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-22/eureka-wiyot-indian-islandΒ Β Also recently, this happened too . . .Β Β Β good !!Β Β "Nearly 100 years after a Black couple's beachfront property was taken away by a Southern California city, Los Angeles County voted unanimously on Tuesday to return the land to the family in what officials described as an effort to βright the wrongs of the past."" And furthermore, I aspire to wokeism, and try to become more woke every day. And back in my teaching days I tried to help my students become woke as well.Β Β poor students ... I bet Greta Dumberg was your special project!. In a pejorative sense, woke means "following an intolerant and moralising ideology". British journalist Steven Poole comments that the term is used to mock "overrighteous liberalism. Come on AJ... You admit you are now Woke and obviously cannot "Read The room"... Now answer my question you promised to answer... Your credibility is rapidly diminishing... Like the sailing sites that accept your woke far left stupidity! |
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Post by fish on Oct 21, 2022 9:03:23 GMT 12
Hi AJ. I read your article. I dont care about trans peoples choices, I dont care about gay peoples choices, I dont care about hetro sexual choices. It is none of my business, except when they try to make it. I have no responsibility for my ancestors choices. I am not them, I did not make their choices. I care about my family, my fiends, my country as whole. I care about personal responsibility, I care about protecting the vulnerable, the down and out. I dont have interest in protecting the lazy, I dont think you can tax a society to acheive prosperity, nor do I think you can "untax" a society to prosperity. Sounds like you and I are about 90% in agreement. One thing though - I think we have an obligation to correct historic injustices as best we can. There is a city in Northern California, Eureka, that gave back an island in Humboldt Bay to the Wiyot people 160 years after it was seized by US settlers following a brutal massacre . . . I cheered that. Look at how many people are in the photo of the transfer ceremony .. www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-22/eureka-wiyot-indian-island Also recently, this happened too . . . good !! "Nearly 100 years after a Black couple's beachfront property was taken away by a Southern California city, Los Angeles County voted unanimously on Tuesday to return the land to the family in what officials described as an effort to βright the wrongs of the past."" And furthermore, I aspire to wokeism, and try to become more woke every day. And back in my teaching days I tried to help my students become woke as well. You would be most interested in our Treaty of Waitangi Settlements process. The Waitangi Treaty was some kind of agreement between a number of tribes and the British Queen back in the 1800's. Now, we have paid 100's of millions of dollars and given back vast tracks of land to individual tribes to right those wrongs. That was all well and good, but the grievances didn't stop their. Now their is a tribal elite, that are well cashed up, that keep on pushing for more money and power. The really sad thing is the majority of indigenous Maori are on the bones of their arses, and the tribal elite do nothing for their people. |
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Post by fish on Oct 21, 2022 9:13:24 GMT 12
Back to our Labour Govt.
So we all want to get rid of this govt, but who would be happy if we ended up with a situation like the British have?
They simply can't organise a root in a whore house.
They sacked their last PM for dodgy moral issues. So they took 3 months to choose a new PM. Here is me thinking that is careful and well measured selection process. Surely they'd get that right.
Then, after 3 months of selection, the new PM lasts 6 weeks. The irony? she did exactly what she said she'd do. And no one expected that...
While I can't stand our PM, imagine if we had one that announced the biggest tax cuts in history, but forgot to mention how she would pay for them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 9:24:29 GMT 12
Back to our Labour Govt. So we all want to get rid of this govt, but who would be happy if we ended up with a situation like the British have? They simply can't organise a root in a whore house. They sacked their last PM for dodgy moral issues. So they took 3 months to choose a new PM. Here is me thinking that is careful and well measured selection process. Surely they'd get that right. Then, after 3 months of selection, the new PM lasts 6 weeks. The irony? she did exactly what she said she'd do. And no one expected that... While I can't stand our PM, imagine if we had one that announced the biggest tax cuts in history, but forgot to mention how she would pay for them? . She would pay for them. That's sexist! ππππ NZ is a bit different to GB.... At present you've got labour spending your money on wasteful things ( meetings, consultants, 3 HΒ²O . .) and national cutting the waste and boosting a dieing economy by giving you some of your own money back to spend how YOU like!!!... No brainer that Luxon/Seymour are better than Ardern/shaw/ Maori caucus |
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Post by fish on Oct 21, 2022 9:29:44 GMT 12
Back to our Labour Govt. So we all want to get rid of this govt, but who would be happy if we ended up with a situation like the British have? They simply can't organise a root in a whore house. They sacked their last PM for dodgy moral issues. So they took 3 months to choose a new PM. Here is me thinking that is careful and well measured selection process. Surely they'd get that right. Then, after 3 months of selection, the new PM lasts 6 weeks. The irony? she did exactly what she said she'd do. And no one expected that... While I can't stand our PM, imagine if we had one that announced the biggest tax cuts in history, but forgot to mention how she would pay for them? . She would pay for them. That's sexist! ππππ NZ is a bit different to GB.... At present you've got labour spending your money on wasteful things ( meetings, consultants, 3 HΒ²O . .) and national cutting the waste and boosting a dieing economy by giving you some of your own money back to spend how YOU like!!!... No brainer that Luxon/Seymour are better than Ardern/shaw/ Maori caucus National haven't said they'd do any of that. You are assuming they'll do that, based on previous National behaviour. That is like relying on your Kiwisaver to keep going up, cause that is what it did last time. Act have a fully costed budget, and said they'd do that. If National need Te Pati Maori to govern, hold your bets! But, whilst its hard to accept, we could do worse than our current situation. When the entire financial market spits the dummy, you know you are in trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 9:36:49 GMT 12
Let's look at the literal meaning of woke... Woke (/ΛwoΚk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination" that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) Key words. "alert to" Let's say it applies to other things like CC. ... Now we know that AJ is proud of being woke and teaches wokeness to his pupils. Thus he teaches what? Exactly? .. how , in this world of biased media, biased teachers, biased politicians, biased professors... Do you frame your teachings to make people "ALERT" to these issues? Do you influence them right or left?, for or against?. This is where woke is lame and shows that being alert or aware of anything is to heavily influenced by fringes and doesn't mean you are solving anything other that being divisive. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 9:43:11 GMT 12
. She would pay for them. That's sexist! ππππ NZ is a bit different to GB.... At present you've got labour spending your money on wasteful things ( meetings, consultants, 3 HΒ²O . .) and national cutting the waste and boosting a dieing economy by giving you some of your own money back to spend how YOU like!!!... No brainer that Luxon/Seymour are better than Ardern/shaw/ Maori caucus National haven't said they'd do any of that. You are assuming they'll do that, based on previous National behaviour. That is like relying on your Kiwisaver to keep going up, cause that is what it did last time. Act have a fully costed budget, and said they'd do that. If National need Te Pati Maori to govern, hold your bets! But, whilst its hard to accept, we could do worse than our current situation. When the entire financial market spits the dummy, you know you are in trouble. they have said they will repeal alot of That |
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Post by fish on Oct 21, 2022 10:46:20 GMT 12
National haven't said they'd do any of that. You are assuming they'll do that, based on previous National behaviour. That is like relying on your Kiwisaver to keep going up, cause that is what it did last time. Act have a fully costed budget, and said they'd do that. If National need Te Pati Maori to govern, hold your bets! But, whilst its hard to accept, we could do worse than our current situation. When the entire financial market spits the dummy, you know you are in trouble. they have said they will repeal alot of That Alot = wishful thinking. That is an entirely none-specific term. You can't even quantify 'alot'. They have so much wiggle room, they can do anything they want to appease any potential coalition partner. I'd be dead keen for you to pin down exactly what National will do, because no-one else can. They are being as obtuse as possible. To be fair, it is a very good tactic. Most people will vote for them purely because they are not Labour. It is exactly what Adern did in 2017. Swapped from Little to Adern, no changes in policy, went from 20-something percent to in power. Act on the other hand, have already set out exactly what they will do, in detail. You know what you are getting there. You don't with National. |
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