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Post by muzled on Dec 29, 2023 12:04:31 GMT 12
Yes when you’ve got a young family onboard getting there flat and in a predictably short time has benefits over getting there at 25’ heel “whenever the wind allows”. Yeah, the peace, silence and mindfulness of sailing isn't entirely compatible with: How much longer? I'm bored Can we go home now? I don't like the boat leaning over... We are getting there though. Boy wants to go snorkelling lots. Girl doesn't like wobbly anchorages, but she likes exploring new islands. Yeah, but the thought of only ever turning a key, pointing the sharp end to the destination and hitting the gas is thoroughly unappealing to me. Even when the wind is on the beak. But I guess I've got three other sports I'll happily do at the drop of a hat if the conditions aren't right. That's also putting my off buying a bigger boat. First world dilemma's... Depressing fact - wrote in the log first night out a week ago, the last time we'd used the boat - 4th of fucking February! That made me weep a little. (I did surf a lot more than usual because of the consistent north easterlies though, but still)
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Post by harrytom on Dec 29, 2023 12:27:50 GMT 12
I'm in Foggs camp,turn the key past the bashing stage,when I had the cav26 boys were happy just under genoa reaching/running. Wind on the nose generally didnt go that way. Diesel was cheap then and used 2 lt per hour.
Had one failure,in Whangarei,Urquarts bay,wind s 20/25 and battery shit itself and crank handle,spinning part ceased so got blisters trying to crank,bashed our way to leigh with 1 boy in the head and the other in a bucket,first time they been in a sea way. But I enjoyed the sail even if lonely up in the cockpit,trying to roll a smoke and salt water going in wave shrinker.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 13:09:47 GMT 12
I watched a few friends have yachts - then have kids - and swap the yacht for a launch - then go back to a yacht when the kids grew up a bit more.
I was hoping to avoid that clunky transition by having a modern 50ft yacht that has decent cruising speed under engine - 8kts - which is close to the speed of a displacement launch ticking along. And 8kts gets you to most places from GH in a pretty respectable time anyway.
But we’ll see…
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 29, 2023 14:19:46 GMT 12
One of the big deciders for the launch vs yacht question is comfort/convenience at anchor. Now most launches you can walk in thru the stern door into the cockpit, one or 2 steps up you are in the main living area (except for the Upfold Pilothouses) and when you sit down you can still see outside the windows. The vast majority of monohull yachts involve alot of stepping up and down, CZ being centre cockpit even more so, and you cannot see outside when you sit down even in most so called "deck saloons", unless they have put ports in the hull sides. This explains in part why sailing cats have become much more popular of late, along with the lack of heel (notwithstanding their strange motion). If I was going for another monohull yacht and had won lotto, something like this would be my choice www.hanseyachtsag.com/moody/gb/yachts/moody-ds48/prefer it to the 46 as more living space in the saloon
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 17:36:52 GMT 12
Yes the huge saloon window area and hull windows of the 50DS - enabling you to see out even when sitting below - was the key reason we knew this was the only model yacht we wanted (within our budget). Hence we went through the pain of locating and importing Fogg - which is now only the 2nd 50DS in NZ. We looked at every other brand under the sun including similar sized Euro-boxes and even the odd kiwi design. But in the end we realised we had the Jeanneau bug from owning Aleana (a 42DS) and knew we just wanted the same ‘look & feel’ but bigger.
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Post by harrytom on Dec 29, 2023 18:13:51 GMT 12
I watched a few friends have yachts - then have kids - and swap the yacht for a launch - then go back to a yacht when the kids grew up a bit more. I was hoping to avoid that clunky transition by having a modern 50ft yacht that has decent cruising speed under engine - 8kts - which is close to the speed of a displacement launch ticking along. And 8kts gets you to most places from GH in a pretty respectable time anyway. But we’ll see… Yet to see a launch that has the same volume inside as a yacht,most seem cluttered to me. So why not design a launch like the interior of a yacht?
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 19:01:53 GMT 12
I’ve often thought the same!
In fact when Jeanneau launched their new generation of motor boats a few years ago - aimed at former Jeanneau yacht owners who were ‘retiring’ from sails to motor - then I was curious to see if their motor boats were different to the rest of the floating shoe-boxes. But stepping aboard at the boat show they all looked the same.
And even the Jeanneau dealer admitted there’s nothing distinctly different about their motor boats that would make them more attractive to former sailors - apart from the Jeanneau badge.
Which seemed like a sad, lost opportunity to me.
But then Beneteau motor boats are the same. And from the same corporate family group.
So if I was going to switch to motor I would almost buy a dedicated motor yacht brand who probably do motor better than a yacht maker like Jeanneau or Beneteau.
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Post by dutyfree on Dec 29, 2023 20:21:08 GMT 12
Sitting in BOI. In my bean bag in the cockpit under cover. All the sailors are somewhere below deck maybe lucky enough to have a DS. Just had 4 of us in bean bags and chairs in the cockpit all under cover with space for more. Nothing to kick, no wheels to get around etc. plugged the bayonet in and cooked on the Webber while my yachting neighbor tried to get his magna running.
Can get 6 around our table. Can fish at least 4 in the cockpit. Each to their own.
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Post by sabre on Dec 29, 2023 22:04:46 GMT 12
Yes the huge saloon window area and hull windows of the 50DS - enabling you to see out even when sitting below - was the key reason we knew this was the only model yacht we wanted (within our budget). Hence we went through the pain of locating and importing Fogg - which is now only the 2nd 50DS in NZ. We looked at every other brand under the sun including similar sized Euro-boxes and even the odd kiwi design. But in the end we realised we had the Jeanneau bug from owning Aleana (a 42DS) and knew we just wanted the same ‘look & feel’ but bigger. View AttachmentView AttachmentIt would almost be wrong not to have a ships cat purely just to swing it now and then
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Post by sabre on Dec 30, 2023 5:27:11 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Dec 30, 2023 8:01:51 GMT 12
My lawn is growing mushrooms. That is all I have to say. Thank you.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 30, 2023 8:40:22 GMT 12
Yes the huge saloon window area and hull windows of the 50DS - enabling you to see out even when sitting below - was the key reason we knew this was the only model yacht we wanted (within our budget). Hence we went through the pain of locating and importing Fogg - which is now only the 2nd 50DS in NZ. We looked at every other brand under the sun including similar sized Euro-boxes and even the odd kiwi design. But in the end we realised we had the Jeanneau bug from owning Aleana (a 42DS) and knew we just wanted the same ‘look & feel’ but bigger. View AttachmentView AttachmentIt would almost be wrong not to have a ships cat purely just to swing it now and then We do! And I do. 😊
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 30, 2023 9:01:26 GMT 12
I watched a few friends have yachts - then have kids - and swap the yacht for a launch - then go back to a yacht when the kids grew up a bit more. I was hoping to avoid that clunky transition by having a modern 50ft yacht that has decent cruising speed under engine - 8kts - which is close to the speed of a displacement launch ticking along. And 8kts gets you to most places from GH in a pretty respectable time anyway. But we’ll see… Yet to see a launch that has the same volume inside as a yacht,most seem cluttered to me. So why not design a launch like the interior of a yacht? Don't know what launches you have been onboard then, my previous 32' Vindex had more space than a typical 36-38' yacht from the 80's
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 30, 2023 9:10:35 GMT 12
Yes the huge saloon window area and hull windows of the 50DS - enabling you to see out even when sitting below - was the key reason we knew this was the only model yacht we wanted (within our budget). Hence we went through the pain of locating and importing Fogg - which is now only the 2nd 50DS in NZ. We looked at every other brand under the sun including similar sized Euro-boxes and even the odd kiwi design. But in the end we realised we had the Jeanneau bug from owning Aleana (a 42DS) and knew we just wanted the same ‘look & feel’ but bigger. View AttachmentView Attachmentnot to be too contrary, but I really cannot see any real difference from the seated visibility perspective between the 50DS and the SO50.9, one of which friends own and I have sailed alot of miles on (by the way the galley arrangement is very difficult to use on starboard tack offshore): Looks to me that both models only have seated views thru the hull windows (same as Oysters), whereas for me a true deck saloon has you seated so that you are looking out the main cabin windows, eg Moody DS45
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Post by Fogg on Dec 30, 2023 10:51:48 GMT 12
Yes the 50.9 overlapped the 50DS and stole many of the DS design features. In fact Jeanneau converged designs of SO and DS and eventually did away with the DS designation altogether.
The Jeanneau purists regard the DS models as the last of the more traditional solid build and the replacement SO and Yachts models are slightly lighter displacement and lighter build. I wouldn’t buy a new Jeanneau today.
The Moody 54DS has great amenity but looks like a pig to my eye. It also costs moonbeams and the view from the helm stations sucks.
And I actually regard that design as more of a Pilothouse than a Deck Saloon - the giveaway is the nav seat on the fwd / port which is usually set up for basic driving options eg can include autopilot controller and (sometimes) even throttle. But not in the Moody’s case. But yes def more a Pilothouse than DS.
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