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Post by muzled on Dec 30, 2023 11:00:00 GMT 12
Yes the 50.9 overlapped the 50DS and stole many of the DS design features. In fact Jeanneau converged designs of SO and DS and eventually did away with the DS designation altogether. The Jeanneau purists regard the DS models as the last of the more traditional solid build and the replacement SO and Yachts models are slightly lighter displacement and lighter build. I wouldn’t buy a new Jeanneau today. The Moody 54DS has great amenity but looks like a pig to my eye. It also costs moonbeams and the view from the helm stations sucks. And I actually regard that design as more of a Pilothouse than a Deck Saloon - the giveaway is the nav seat on the fwd / port which is usually set up for basic driving options eg can include autopilot controller and (sometimes) even throttle. But not in the Moody’s case. But yes def more a Pilothouse than DS. I walk past a 54DS on my way to the cheap seats at Westhaven. It was for sale for 1.2M a year or so back from memory. Probably great boat to be inside looking out of, but Fish's row away factor is very low imo. This Nordship is an interesting boat. Can't imagine you go anywhere very fast though. www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/4146173208?bof=NMhHbwDP
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Post by Fogg on Dec 30, 2023 11:06:17 GMT 12
Yes the Nordship is a solid and ‘steady’ boat. Get you anywhere safely though.
The disjointed interior design is an acquired taste - either cute or quirky depending on your tastes.
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Post by harrytom on Dec 30, 2023 17:08:57 GMT 12
Yet to see a launch that has the same volume inside as a yacht,most seem cluttered to me. So why not design a launch like the interior of a yacht? Don't know what launches you have been onboard then, my previous 32' Vindex had more space than a typical 36-38' yacht from the 80's vindex are like strawberry punnet boxes ,wide and high,old school launches from the 50/60s cramped compared to yachts
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 31, 2023 7:39:37 GMT 12
Don't know what launches you have been onboard then, my previous 32' Vindex had more space than a typical 36-38' yacht from the 80's vindex are like strawberry punnet boxes ,wide and high,old school launches from the 50/60s cramped compared to yachts you could not be more wrong and it sounds like you have never been on one with an underfloor engine. The original double diagonal Vindex, launched 1961 is still going strong out of Gulf Harbour.
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Post by GO30 on Dec 31, 2023 8:24:22 GMT 12
Yes the Nordship is a solid and ‘steady’ boat. Get you anywhere safely though. The disjointed interior design is an acquired taste - either cute or quirky depending on your tastes. For the size of the vessel Nordhavens have a very small interior. I was on a 100fter a month ago, the interior while very nice felt more 50ft in size.
Maritimos and Rivs are similar in doing that, they also seem small considering the shell.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 31, 2023 9:49:13 GMT 12
The perceived smaller interior size of the larger offshore boats is driven by:
1. Lots of ‘hidden’ storage & tankage 2. Lots of ancillary systems with redundancy eg 2x Gensets, 2x watermakers, 2x autopilots, 2x A/C systems, dive compressors etc etc 3. Liveability underway ie avoid big open spaces (which the charter market loves) to prevent people being thrown around at sea.
The result is often a feeling of unexpected ‘coziness’ for a boat of that size but once you start poking around the use of space becomes more obvious.
I was on a large Oyster a few weeks ago. Similar feeling to the Nordship.
I’d prefer Fogg for Gulf cruising.
But I’d readily swap for offshore cruising.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 31, 2023 10:51:19 GMT 12
The perceived smaller interior size of the larger offshore boats is driven by: 1. Lots of ‘hidden’ storage & tankage 2. Lots of ancillary systems with redundancy eg 2x Gensets, 2x watermakers, 2x autopilots, 2x A/C systems, dive compressors etc etc 3. Liveability underway ie avoid big open spaces (which the charter market loves) to prevent people being thrown around at sea. The result is often a feeling of unexpected ‘coziness’ for a boat of that size but once you start poking around the use of space becomes more obvious. I was on a large Oyster a few weeks ago. Similar feeling to the Nordship. I’d prefer Fogg for Gulf cruising. But I’d readily swap for offshore cruising. Steve Dashew when he was designing his Deerfoot and Sundeer offshore cruising yachts said he divided the yacht into rough thirds, 1/3 for engineering space, 1/3 for accommodation (the central part) and 1/3 for stowage, eg Sundeer 64. He obviously was not worrying about berth size
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Post by Fogg on Dec 31, 2023 11:04:24 GMT 12
Yup. Which is why charter companies and families fall in love with the Euro-boxes at the boat show because their idea of cruising is being anchored 200m from the beach under blue skies with a boat full of kids & friends.
Whereas the serious cruisers know they have a different set of requirements hence they usually buy differently. You can get away with cruising the world in a Euro-box especially if you get lucky with conditions. But once things get challenging & complicated their short-comings become apparent.
There’s a reason it’s Oysters that rescue broken Hanses in the middle of the Atlantic not the other way around!
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Post by harrytom on Dec 31, 2023 14:30:30 GMT 12
vindex are like strawberry punnet boxes ,wide and high,old school launches from the 50/60s cramped compared to yachts you could not be more wrong and it sounds like you have never been on one with an underfloor engine. The original double diagonal Vindex, launched 1961 is still going strong out of Gulf Harbour. Yes have been on one and all night it sailed around in circles
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 2, 2024 13:38:47 GMT 12
took advantage of the forecast windshift yesterday to the SW to make our way to "the back" of Gt Barrier, fast sail with 15-20 SW, bit gusty coming down the eastern side. Surprised how many other boats around. Currently in Harataonga Bay, just glorious conditions Fogg and Fish (& others not afloat), get your boats loaded up and get out here, this is what summer cruising is all about ps putting our Starlink to good use, bugger all mobile coverage here except on the top of hills and the middle of Whangapoua Bay
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 15:51:12 GMT 12
I came out this afternoon. But not going anywhere far & exotic (yet).
Dunno about fish.
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Post by dutyfree on Jan 2, 2024 16:29:16 GMT 12
Nice up here in BOI. Weathers better so everyone has spread out.
We are in and out of marina as I try to source a couple of batteries…….
Boats, always something
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Post by fish on Jan 2, 2024 20:53:18 GMT 12
I'm in full prep mode. Put the mainsail back on today for the first time in two years (last summer being such a wash out). Collected an inflatable kayak from Burnsco for the kids. They haven't taken to the inflatable sups we've got and like the safer feeling of a kayak, but I can't stow on onboard, currently borrowing a mates one and it wont even fit in or on the dinghy.
Yesterday I loaded a couple of boxes of chilled beverages and all the bedding and linen what-not. Might get out tomorrow, but the missus has some administrative tasks to take care of, so if not tomorrow it will be Thursday. I'm liking the stable look of the extended forecast. Will be inner Gulf for us. Probably start with Motutapu then on to Waiheke area. No fixed plan, just whichever way the wind is blowing.
Also got some parts to make a rail mounted table for what-ever I'm going to use the execute the beer, steak and nice calm bay plan with. In saying that, had friends over tonight and ate the half fillet I was intending to take on the boat. Might need a re-stock before departure.
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Post by GO30 on Jan 3, 2024 7:13:34 GMT 12
About 8 years ago we reached peak cruising. Since then every time we've popped out we struggle with things to keep busy with. She handles it a bit better than me but we both get fidgety quite quickly. It's both good and bad. We think it's due to a combo of doing life a little backwards and working all day with boats.
But we'll see how that's panning out in a month or so when one gets wet again. I suspect there maybe a wee revival.
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Post by em on Jan 3, 2024 9:45:49 GMT 12
Have been doing repairs to get boat ready this week but won’t be going out as we both are still sick as . Hadn’t been to boat for a month and turned up on Monday to find Aussie skinks darting around the cockpit . Boat is mid river on piles roughly 150m from shore so I was suspecting foul play . Did a heap of research and found out paracetamol is an active ingredient in snake and lizard bait . Mixed up a brew of two tablets , honey and a few drops of water . Put it on a jar lid in the gas locker and got 4 of the buggers , havent seen anymore touch wood .
Fixed a deck leak in one of the aft heads , thought it was the Genoa track so was geared up for a major headliner removal in several parts of the boat to get at the nuts to lift the whole track . Started in the head where the leak was , peeled the vinyl off the side deck underside which had a down light screwed through it ….turns out some muppet screwed through to the deck just cracking the gel coat . It leaked intermittently when water back up far enough in heavy rain above the Genoa track . Got that fixed fairly quickly and deck is solid GRP so no core issues . Glueing the headliner back on was a prick of a job and took a few hours of prep .
Other major job was getting the freezer compressor going it stopped a few months back and we haven’t used the boat so it’s been waiting . Turned out to be a very close fire situation . Long story short , supply cable to compressor had a plastic block connector splice with a loose wire that caused resistance heat . Wire on one side was smaller gauge than the other . Installed a blade fuse and correct gauge of wire (there was no fuse in the circuit ! ) . A previous owner upgraded to two new isotherm/danfoss compressors but did the wiring themselves . There is a fuse in the fridge circuit but not the freezer which is a higher draw compressor needing a 15A fuse . Dodged a bullet there and will be scoping out the rest of the electrical system for DIY bombs .
Other jobs are intermittent saloon window leak , remove inner forestay so we can tack the Genoa , strip some of the core out of furler driveline so it doesn’t cluster on the drum and get a hoist and water blast so we can stay at opua marina for bay of islands sailing week . Hoping next week sometime we finally use the boat for more than a couple of days !
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