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Post by dutyfree on Mar 30, 2022 8:27:28 GMT 12
I get the move. It is an expensive game. The NZ taxpayer/ratepayer support was generally "in-kind", facilities etc. Loved watching it, but almost exclusively watched it on TV for reasons above. I look at F1, most teams based in the UK, race around the world, funded globally. They are competing with the likes of sail GP etc. Holding at the arse end of the earth (my favourite place on earth ) is not a goer for the future in my view.
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Post by chariot on Mar 30, 2022 8:35:17 GMT 12
Bye bye Dalts. Hope you enjoy your new villa in Spain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 9:08:47 GMT 12
There's a big difference here ( compared to F1 for eg). this EVENT is owned by private organisation call team New Zealand run under the name of New Zealand by a New Zealand yacht club.
TEAM NEW ZEALAND HAS TRADED OFF NEW ZEALAND'S NAME. IT'S had millions IN FUNDING FROM OUR GOVERNMENT, AND SUPPORT FROM NEW ZEALANDERS, SO AS SUCH THIS MAKES DALTON A TRADER FOR MONEY AHEAD OF NATIONALITY / PATRIOTISM and his great spin line " loyalty"
He thinks he's a big euro mover and shaker!
How does New Zealand sailing benefit from an event in Spain. Forget Daltons spin, that we would lose the cup if it were held here, this is purely about money in his wallet.
In formula 1 no team is named after a country but after a brand. the same should happen in America's cup.The name team New Zealand should be for a patriotic New Zealand team Dalton's team is team Emirates.
The America's cup is a bidding game between countries and cities. Barcelona put in the biggest and best bid, despite their huge debt. Phil Goff was a tight ass and would rather spend money on Maori, woke, cycle tracks or PC issues than a great spectacle for a sailing City.
Dalton is a money hungry, non loyal, disingenuous thief
Blake would be vomiting ๐คฎ
Coutts should set up team Kiwi and spank Dalton's sorry arse
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Post by El Toro on Mar 30, 2022 9:11:08 GMT 12
Yea cause Seamaster just fell from the sky aye....
But agree, very disappointing, the gst along from having it here would have paid for it in spades.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 30, 2022 9:57:39 GMT 12
Head says: โInevitable, never mind.โ
Heart says: โWhat a shame.โ
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Post by fish on Mar 30, 2022 10:26:47 GMT 12
Blake would be vomiting ๐คฎ Coutts should set up team Kiwi and spank Dalton's sorry arse There is nothing stopping a separate Kiwi Challenger. Dumphy had a lot to say, backing a challenger would be one way to walk the talk. I suspect the cost of mounting a challenge might be a problem though, especially with no existing IP. Unless you go on a poaching mission.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 30, 2022 10:30:28 GMT 12
I still can't work out why all the losers have no problem getting massive sums of backing yet Team Mercenary can't.
What or who is the block on that happening? I suspect it's very much a who.
About time they renamed the team I think. If NZ is not good enough to have on the boat then why sail under it.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 30, 2022 10:31:39 GMT 12
Blake would be vomiting ๐คฎ Coutts should set up team Kiwi and spank Dalton's sorry arse There is nothing stopping a separate Kiwi Challenger. Dumphy had a lot to say, backing a challenger would be one way to walk the talk. I suspect the cost of mounting a challenge might be a problem though, especially with no existing IP. Unless you go on a poaching mission. Weren't the rules changed by Dalton to block any other NZ challenge?
The one before the Hula maybe.
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Post by dutyfree on Mar 30, 2022 10:57:47 GMT 12
F1 is owned by a private organisation. Who cares about the use of the name NZ and that a yacht club is smart enough to work out how to make money?
New Zealand get used in all sorts of stuff. Yes taxpayers put money in, but the assumption is that "we" got a pay back. The funding was event to event, if you wanted it to have an enduring obligation then have a whinge at your MP, Mayor etc. Clearly crap contracting by them from your perspective.
Patriotism, money ahead of country. Ahh yes, that is professional sport. Look at the All Blacks, Warriors etc. Who helps funds the rugby, cricket world cup stuff etc?
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 30, 2022 13:32:02 GMT 12
As I see it,having read comments here,you should all be very happy. NZ gets publicity /advertising at no cost.Event costs nil. ETNZ seeding money nil. Boats still built here.The only thing missing will be tourists who,like last time,may or may not come. So the investment return on nil dollars invested will be huge.And the marine industry gets promoted. Win / win I say
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 30, 2022 13:34:42 GMT 12
And give thanks for GD.You don't have to like him...it's not a popularity contest.He's proven to be extremely resilient and capable.
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Post by fish on Mar 30, 2022 13:53:48 GMT 12
There is nothing stopping a separate Kiwi Challenger. Dumphy had a lot to say, backing a challenger would be one way to walk the talk. I suspect the cost of mounting a challenge might be a problem though, especially with no existing IP. Unless you go on a poaching mission. Weren't the rules changed by Dalton to block any other NZ challenge?
The one before the Hula maybe.
I've no idea. I've taken up foiling myself. Far more interesting than watching other people do it...
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Post by OLD ROPE ๐ on Mar 30, 2022 20:27:29 GMT 12
There is nothing stopping a separate Kiwi Challenger. Dumphy had a lot to say, backing a challenger would be one way to walk the talk. I suspect the cost of mounting a challenge might be a problem though, especially with no existing IP. Unless you go on a poaching mission. Weren't the rules changed by Dalton to block any other NZ challenge?
The one before the Hula maybe.
yip as a defender ,. But wouldn't Coutts NZ boat be a challenger!?๐๐๐
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Post by OLD ROPE ๐ on Mar 30, 2022 20:31:55 GMT 12
As I see it,having read comments here,you should all be very happy. NZ gets publicity /advertising at no cost.Event costs nil. ETNZ seeding money nil. Boats still built here.The only thing missing will be tourists who,like last time,may or may not come. So the investment return on nil dollars invested will be huge.And the marine industry gets promoted. Win / win I say Dalton's a FW but this is great. Barcelona will be awesome. Valencia was good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 7:57:02 GMT 12
WTF!.., have you guys got short memories or what.
Every America's cup that Dalton's been involved with he has pleaded poverty and bankruptcy at the end of it. New Zealand and the New Zealand taxpayer have come to the party and bailed team New Zealand out...
Now that New Zealand is in a bit of financial peril and can't afford what Wanker Dalton wants - he bails for the highest dollar, forgets the loyalty New Zealand has show him, gives New Zealanders the single digit, and shows zero loyalty to the name of his team.
Wanker Dalton is a mercenary who has profited of the back of the poor people who clean hotels on the minimum wage and Dalton's greed has crushed their post covid dreams of maintaining employment in the highly stressed hospo industry.
If Dalton is such a great AC guy and great dealer then why didn't he get more sponsors to prop up his campaign for NZ, instead of just being lazy and selling the event to the highest bidder (to get the money his team needs)
Barcelona will be a great event, as they all are, but NZ needs the AC now more than ever and wanker Dalton has fucked up a great opportunity to help NZ hospo/ NZ recover.
As for his excuse that it will come come back to NZ WTF!....
1. Only if we win it.
2. Only if NZ can meet wanker Dalton's demands in 8 years time ... And
3. Only if Dalton feels the love of NZ... Which he has fucked!
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