|
Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 31, 2022 8:09:14 GMT 12
Yes.....but you fail to mention.....THEY WON !
|
|
|
Post by fish on Mar 31, 2022 9:35:17 GMT 12
WTF!.., have you guys got short memories or what. Every America's cup that Dalton's been involved with he has pleaded poverty and bankruptcy at the end of it. New Zealand and the New Zealand taxpayer have come to the party and bailed team New Zealand out... Now that New Zealand is in a bit of financial peril and can't afford what Wanker Dalton wants - he bails for the highest dollar, forgets the loyalty New Zealand has show him, gives New Zealanders the single digit, and shows zero loyalty to the name of his team. Wanker Dalton is a mercenary who has profited of the back of the poor people who clean hotels on the minimum wage and Dalton's greed has crushed their post covid dreams of maintaining employment in the highly stressed hospo industry. If Dalton is such a great AC guy and great dealer then why didn't he get more sponsors to prop up his campaign for NZ, instead of just being lazy and selling the event to the highest bidder (to get the money his team needs) Barcelona will be a great event, as they all are, but NZ needs the AC now more than ever and wanker Dalton has fucked up a great opportunity to help NZ hospo/ NZ recover. As for his excuse that it will come come back to NZ WTF!.... 1. Only if we win it. 2. Only if NZ can meet wanker Dalton's demands in 8 years time ... And 3. Only if Dalton feels the love of NZ... Which he has fucked! What is your point? He has a far nicer house than me, and I suspect you. Lets not start on his taste in cars... There are not a lot of very wealthy people that got wealthy by being nice to everyone. He hangs out with gazillionaires on a day to day basis, his primary sponsor is owned by an outfit involved in bombing goat herders in one of the poorest countries in the world, and he is running a business. The AC did not return on our investment last time. It is a very high risk venture to get a return on the amount of $$$ required to put into hosting the event. Most people are speaking with emotion and not logic when they say the event should be hosted here. The SailGP is now a legitimate challenger to the 'event' that is the AC. It is far more exciting to watch, and has less legal bullshit associated with it. How many SailGP events are we down for? My kids have great memories of watching both the Bemuda event and the Auckland event, but all on TV. We simply couldn't be arsed trying to get into the scrum of boats to see them race on the water. We saw ETNZ training on the water, circled them when they were having a break, and got a wave from Dalts and one or two others. We say all the spy boats and chase boats. But then they took off and were gone in 10 secs. When I challenged them to a race and put my 35 hp diesel down to full throttle, my young son got upset (he thought I was serious, maybe he didn't want me to beat them ). They opened up their 5 x 250 Hp outboards and that was that... Sure it was fun seeing an AC boat get from Rangi to Tiri in about 30 secs. The advent of foiling was mind-boggling. But now we can watch Moth's or Wasps foiling out of our local Bay (Manly, 1 over from where we live) and I am foiling / learning to foil myself (windfoil, I've learnt to land without injuring myself now). Tuesday night we were watching a Moth do warp factor 5 from our front deck, so fast the coach needed a jetski to keep up - previously they have used a 30ft rib (This was possibly the young and the father Coutts, who would normally use a sealegs rib to coach from). Anyway, both my kids were really fascinated by what was going so fast in what was very light wind. When I said it was a foiling dinghy, and they could learn to do that if they wanted, there was some real engagement. A spark of interest. The AC is unobtainable for us, but getting into foiling ourselves is fully obtainable. When I say it is far more interesting going foiling yourself, than watching someone else do it, I mean it is far far far more interesting, exciting and engaging. We can watch the AC on TV, and not get sent the invoice for the privilege. Spend the money on your own gear. $5k will get you good new gear to start on. PS, at Manly, there is a 73 & 75 r old regularly windfoiling. It is far less physical than windsurfing, and far more fun than surfing, and far, far cheaper than hosting the America's Cup.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 10:58:47 GMT 12
With all respect Fish, if you cannot see or empathize with the common man who supported the AC thru his employment being AC vital, and his taxes. ....then Fish you are a hard man.
Just take the single mother of four cleaning shitty rooms that the Corporates fornicated in, for min wage, and who were at the viaduct supporting the event because it gave them a job.
Dalton's greed took that away.
To be fair fish, your wealthy ( compared to many of poor supporters) middle class white arrogance shines brightly in that last post..
Also the last event was covid affected thus no profit.
Dalton's has taken our money when times were hard and used it to get more money from corporates.
The favour should have been returned.
Nah, he's a wanker 1st class!
Don't defend him with arrogance!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 11:00:46 GMT 12
Yes.....but you fail to mention.....THEY WON ! ?? They have not won in Barcelona ! That what I was talking about!
|
|
|
Post by GO30 on Mar 31, 2022 11:55:12 GMT 12
Ah the Bermuda event...didn't see one race and took the effort to go to outer Mongolia to do a 5000km endruo ride to ensue I didn't have to listen to all the Ra Ra Ra bullshit. True story.
Outer Monglia a is actually called the Mongolian Steps, no idea why.
Pleased that next even all I have to do is keep the TV turned off.
|
|
|
Post by fish on Mar 31, 2022 12:27:44 GMT 12
With all respect Fish, if you cannot see or empathize with the common man who supported the AC thru his employment being AC vital, and his taxes. ....then Fish you are a hard man. Just take the single mother of four cleaning shitty rooms that the Corporates fornicated in, for min wage, and who were at the viaduct supporting the event because it gave them a job. I'm not understanding what you are saying here. The common man who supported the AC by his employment, or was supported by the AC in his employment? Or do you mean the common man who's taxes and rates went to fund Dalton's dalliances? Are you really saying that the whole point of the AC is so single mothers of 4 can work for the minimum wage? Why can't they work in skilled or professional jobs that give them enough to live on? And what has cleaning rooms got to do with the AC? That makes it no different to any other international event that attracts tourists. The two SailGP events, the Foo Fighters etc. It doesn't cost us $200mil plus to host the Foo Fighters, or any other international act. Or the Womens Cricket World Cup. It is a professional sports team, aka a business. Same as the Blues or the Warriors. Going all Socialist, why don't we take the $200 mil hosting cost, and use it to provide childcare so single mothers of 4 can train in astro-physics, or IT or infrastructure engineering, and get a descent job that pays enough to live on? PS, did you read the bit where I said the only people that think we should host the AC are basing that on emotive elements? Your post is the best example of emotive elements I could have hoped for
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 17:02:00 GMT 12
With all respect Fish, if you cannot see or empathize with the common man who supported the AC thru his employment being AC vital, and his taxes. ....then Fish you are a hard man. Just take the single mother of four cleaning shitty rooms that the Corporates fornicated in, for min wage, and who were at the viaduct supporting the event because it gave them a job. I'm not understanding what you are saying here.Β The common man who supported the AC by his employment, or was supported by the AC in his employment? Or do you mean the common man who's taxes and rates went to fund Dalton's dalliances?Β Are you really saying that the whole point of the AC is so single mothers of 4 can work for the minimum wage? Why can't they work in skilled or professional jobs that give them enough to live on? And what has cleaning rooms got to do with the AC? That makes it no different to any other international event that attracts tourists. The two SailGP events, the Foo Fighters etc. It doesn't cost us $200mil plus to host the Foo Fighters, or any other international act. Or the Womens Cricket World Cup. It is a professional sports team, aka a business. Same as the Blues or the Warriors. Going all Socialist, why don't we take the $200 mil hosting cost, and use it to provide childcare so single mothers of 4 can train in astro-physics, or IT or infrastructure engineering, and get a descent job that pays enough to live on? PS, did you read the bit where I said the only people that think we should host the AC are basing that on emotive elements? Your post is the best example of emotive elements I could have hoped forΒ you should have stopped at your first paragraph. You have a very self entitled viewpoint of your own city/ country. You're a hard man Fish.... Dalton would love you.π€π€π
|
|
|
Post by Dirty den on Mar 31, 2022 18:32:49 GMT 12
Yea cause Seamaster just fell from the sky aye.... But agree, very disappointing, the gst along from having it here would have paid for it in spades. yip let's have a History reminder.... Blake asset stripped TNZ leaving Coutts and Butterworth with no other option but to seek swiss funding, which utimatley failed. Schnakks picked it up with Barker and failed (hula) Then Dalton picked it up and failed (Valencia...?)then won Bermuda. And now becomes a slut like Coutts, Blake, fay, Meanwhile Blake, Sefton and co fecked off with their stolen sqillions and said bye bye NZπ At the same time Coutts dominated With maverick boats and dodgy protocol. So they are all wankers. According to Aquaholic ππππ. Fuck! Maybe he's right ?
|
|
|
Post by fish on Mar 31, 2022 19:16:37 GMT 12
I'm not understanding what you are saying here. The common man who supported the AC by his employment, or was supported by the AC in his employment? Or do you mean the common man who's taxes and rates went to fund Dalton's dalliances? Are you really saying that the whole point of the AC is so single mothers of 4 can work for the minimum wage? Why can't they work in skilled or professional jobs that give them enough to live on? And what has cleaning rooms got to do with the AC? That makes it no different to any other international event that attracts tourists. The two SailGP events, the Foo Fighters etc. It doesn't cost us $200mil plus to host the Foo Fighters, or any other international act. Or the Womens Cricket World Cup. It is a professional sports team, aka a business. Same as the Blues or the Warriors. Going all Socialist, why don't we take the $200 mil hosting cost, and use it to provide childcare so single mothers of 4 can train in astro-physics, or IT or infrastructure engineering, and get a descent job that pays enough to live on? PS, did you read the bit where I said the only people that think we should host the AC are basing that on emotive elements? Your post is the best example of emotive elements I could have hoped for you should have stopped at your first paragraph. You have a very self entitled viewpoint of your own city/ country. You're a hard man Fish.... Dalton would love you.π€π€π So, all you've got there is a personal insult (very self entitled viewpoint), and nothing else. I was attempting to understand your view on the topic. We are both welcome to disagree with each other (that is a large part of what forums are about), but I was actually wanting to understand what you were saying. Trying not to be inflammatory here aquaholic, but if all you can do is offer personal insults and no points to discuss, or value in discussion, perhaps this forum would be better off without your input. Alternatively, do you want to put your case for why you think we should host the AC, and we can discuss it, without insults or name calling?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 2:40:12 GMT 12
You say insults.
I say my perspective.
You feel insulted because maybe the truth hurts.
I feel fine pointing out the way I read you're responses.
Grow some π
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 2:42:11 GMT 12
Yea cause Seamaster just fell from the sky aye.... But agree, very disappointing, the gst along from having it here would have paid for it in spades. yip let's have a History reminder.... Blake asset stripped TNZ leaving Coutts and Butterworth with no other option but to seek swiss funding, which utimatley failed. Schnakks picked it up with Barker and failed (hula) Then Dalton picked it up and failed (Valencia...?)then won Bermuda. And now becomes a slut like Coutts, Blake, fay, Meanwhile Blake, Sefton and co fecked off with their stolen sqillions and said bye bye NZπ At the same time Coutts dominated With maverick boats and dodgy protocol. So they are all wankers. According to Aquaholic ππππ. Fuck! Maybe he's right ? difference is Blake, fay, Coutts never took tax payers money.
|
|
|
Post by fish on Apr 1, 2022 8:52:14 GMT 12
You say insults. I say my perspective. You feel insulted because maybe the truth hurts. I feel fine pointing out the way I read you're responses. Grow some π Oh come on, is that the best you can do? Surely you can explain how not wanting to pay $200mil to some rich guys to host and event with very high risk of any financial return makes me entitled? I'd really like an explanation, please.
|
|
|
Post by OLD ROPE π on Apr 1, 2022 11:59:15 GMT 12
The way I read aquas posts is ..
He thinks you are insensitive that a rich wanker like Dalton has pissed on the poor ( who pay taxes that go to Dalton to save his team while they pay them selves millions each PA) )who brought into his loyalty/ new zealand bullshit.
Aqua, and I to a small extent, think you are justifying his greed, arrogance, and breach of moral contract with NZ. The kiwis that thought they were supporting a NZ loyal team are dissapointed in the result and you appear not to care about a single mother of three supporter who may lose her job ( in a pending recession and when we need every event we can get) because of Dalton's loyalty deception and greed
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 14:33:36 GMT 12
Thank fuck its gone,not real yachts anyway.Bring back the 12m
|
|
|
Post by OLD ROPE π on Apr 1, 2022 16:53:21 GMT 12
Thank fuck its gone,not real yachts anyway.Bring back the 12m ken oath!!!!!!Β‘!!!
|
|