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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 26, 2023 17:54:07 GMT 12
To recap again on her views. 1 No biological men in female spaces such as changing rooms. 2 No surgical or medical procedures on minors to ‘change gender’. 3 No biological men in women’s sports. Yep if you ignore the radical left politicians and media and drill into what she is actually saying it is all very reasonable. Which is exactly what people said about Hitler in the beginning.
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Post by muzled on Mar 26, 2023 17:59:01 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Mar 26, 2023 18:08:21 GMT 12
The sight of Laural Hubbard weightlifting in an NZ singlet was sickening. How can a biological man compete in a power and strength sport against woman? So, the question of whether it's okay for biological men to compete against women in sports is a highly controversial and divisive issue. It's been causing a lot of heated debates lately, with people on both sides of the argument having strong opinions. Basically, some people argue that it's fair for transgender women to compete in women's sports, while others believe it's unfair and gives them an unfair advantage. There are biological differences between men and women that can affect how well they perform in sports, with men generally having more muscle mass, bigger hearts and lungs, and higher levels of testosterone, which can make them stronger, faster, and more enduring. While transgender women who have undergone hormone replacement therapy (HRT) may experience a decrease in muscle mass, strength, and testosterone levels, some people still think that they may have an advantage over cisgender women, especially if they went through male puberty. Supporters of transgender rights argue that everyone should have an equal shot at competing in sports, regardless of gender identity. They believe that transgender individuals should be allowed to compete in sports that align with their gender identity, just like everyone else. As you can see, it's a complex issue with a lot of different perspectives. However, it's important to remember that we should strive to create a fair and inclusive environment for everyone in sports, regardless of their gender identity. Fair and inclusive. Sometimes they are not compatible. Now, don't get me wrong. I think everyone should be free to live their lives as they wish, so long as they don't adversely impact anyone else's life. Murder is the best example of that. But what we are now seeing is that gender is not binary. A lot of people think it should be binary. I have no issues with the Alphabet community (other than their hypocrisy yesterday). But, there are a couple of basic realisms they can't escape: Men can't have babies. The likes of Tamati Coffee and his husband having babies is just un-natural. If you were born a man, you can't become a biological woman (i.e. you aren't going to be able to menstrate, have babies or have boobs that produce milk). I've no problem if biological men want to live like a woman, have all the surgery and hormone thearapy etc, but you can't become a biological woman. This point of non-binary gender is highlighted by the census I haven't done. Under sex, there are 3 options, not 2. World Rugby got the decision right when they said people born as biological men can't play women's rugby. That would not be fair on all the biological women. Is that non-inclusive of the chicks-with-dicks? Well, obviously it excludes them. While I have sympthay for their situation, there is only so far you can push the laws of nature. i.e. Men can't have babies. Gay men need to accept that. Just like we have to accept that the sun rises in the east. There isn't much you can do about it. People born biological men shouldn't be playing women's sports that rely on strength, power or endurance. Which I think leaves chess...
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Post by Cantab on Mar 26, 2023 18:12:41 GMT 12
"and send a strong message that hate and discrimination will not be tolerated."
by expressing hate, violence and intolerance, have another look with your other eye.
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Post by muzled on Mar 26, 2023 18:50:27 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 26, 2023 19:07:01 GMT 12
The majority disagree. My wife disagrees. My teenage daughter disagrees. My 24yr old daughter disagrees. GO30 are your daughters terrified?
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Post by fish on Mar 26, 2023 19:08:33 GMT 12
“I am so proud I dropped the juice, and I would do it again, and again – if I have to go to prison for one year, I am more than happy.” Rubashkyn said Keen-Minshull’s words had caused so much hate and pain within the transgender community. “Trans people are under attack. “Hate speech become violence against minorities,” she said. Rubashkyn, originally from Colombia, said Aotearoa had become a “haven” for her, and she couldn’t allow Keen-Minshull to take that away. Hmm, no, you became violent. Just saying. Trans people aren't under attack. They are the ones doing the attacking. I can't comprehend what our society is coming to when black is white. Can't they see this? Say's she is happy to go to prison for 1 year. But I wonder how happy she'd be if she got deported back to Columbia? www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839702/tomato-juice-thrower-ready-to-face-consequences-if-necessary-following-posie-parker-incident
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 26, 2023 19:13:22 GMT 12
“I am so proud I dropped the juice, and I would do it again, and again – if I have to go to prison for one year, I am more than happy.” Rubashkyn said Keen-Minshull’s words had caused so much hate and pain within the transgender community. “Trans people are under attack. “Hate speech become violence against minorities,” she said. Rubashkyn, originally from Colombia, said Aotearoa had become a “haven” for her, and she couldn’t allow Keen-Minshull to take that away. Hmm, no, you became violent. Just saying. Trans people aren't under attack. They are the ones doing the attacking. I can't comprehend what our society is coming to when black is white. Can't they see this? Say's she is happy to go to prison for 1 year. But I wonder how happy she'd be if she got deported back to Columbia? www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839702/tomato-juice-thrower-ready-to-face-consequences-if-necessary-following-posie-parker-incidentYep, deport them. I agree. Went to far, overstepped the line. Wasn't necessary.
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Post by fish on Mar 26, 2023 19:23:14 GMT 12
The irony is this person is a harm reduction advocate. About As Human Rights Advocate I have extensive experience in the area of public health policy, LGBTIQ+ and refugee human rights. As a Harm Reduction advocate, 2 years of experience in the areas of drug policy advocacy, health disparities among minorities and populations at risk, and health policies and harm reduction integrations. As a pharmacist I have 10 years of combined experience in community pharmacy work, hospital pharmacy management, in addition to that pharmaceutical manufacturing, R&D, toxicology, regulatory compliance, ENDS, and regulatory affairs. nz.linkedin.com/in/elianagolberstein
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Post by muzled on Mar 27, 2023 6:26:59 GMT 12
The majority disagree. My wife disagrees. My teenage daughter disagrees. My 24yr old daughter disagrees. GO30 are your daughters terrified? Just to clarify, are you saying the majority disagree with the protesters or with KJK?
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 27, 2023 7:08:57 GMT 12
The majority disagree. My wife disagrees. My teenage daughter disagrees. My 24yr old daughter disagrees. GO30 are your daughters terrified? Just to clarify, are you saying the majority disagree with the protesters or with KJK? The majority disagree with kjk. A minority didn't want her in the country at all. The majority understand that free speech must be protected but hate speech or dangerous speech masquerading as free speech must not. The majority of women are not terrified by trans activists.
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Post by muzled on Mar 27, 2023 7:16:43 GMT 12
Just to clarify, are you saying the majority disagree with the protesters or with KJK? The majority of women are not terrified by trans activists. It would appear however, that the majority of trans activists are terrified of one woman... Do you think the protest yesterday was a good look for the trans community and NZ?
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Post by muzled on Mar 27, 2023 7:20:27 GMT 12
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shameful-persecution-of-posie-parker-in-new-zealand/This is what it must have been like when women were marched to the stake. Yesterday in Auckland the British women’s rights campaigner Posie Parker found herself surrounded by a deranged, heaving mob. She had tomato soup and placards thrown in her face. She was doused with water. Huge men screamed insults and expletives in her face. The shoving of the crowd became so intense that Parker feared for her life. ‘I genuinely thought that if I fell to the floor I would never get up again’, she said. ‘My children would lose their mother and my husband would lose his wife.’ It was a truly chilling spectacle. The mobs’ faces were twisted into masks of feral hatred. They ranted in frenzy as the diminutive Parker, her bottle-blonde hair stained orange from the soup that had been dumped on her, desperately tried to make her way to the safety of a police car. It was a ritualistic shaming of a witch, a violent purging of a heretic. Next time you’re reading a history book and find yourself wondering how Salem came to be consumed by such swirling hysteria, watch the clips of Posie’s persecution in New Zealand. This is how it happens. This is how the fear of witches can overrule reason and unleash the darkest, most punitive passions of the mob. And what is Parker’s crime? What did this witch do? She said, ‘A woman is an adult human female’. That’s it. Parker, whose real name is Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, is well known for her criticism of the ideology of transgenderism. She thinks a man never becomes a woman, no matter how many hormones he takes or surgeries he undergoes. She thinks if you were born male, you will die male, and in the time in between you have no right whatsoever to enter any women-only space.This is heresy. Dissenting from the gospel of gender ideology is to the 21st century what dissenting from the actual gospels was to the 15th. And so Parker must be punished. It was a modern-day stoning, so mercifully they only threw soup and water and planks of cardboard at the blasphemer. Parker organises public events called ‘Let Women Speak’. She has done it across the UK, in parts of the US, and for the past couple of weeks she’s been doing it in Australia and New Zealand. It’s a genius initiative. She knows these gatherings of women who merely want to give voice to their profane belief that sex can never be changed will draw out crowds of intolerant trans activists and their allies. She knows the ‘Be Kind’ mob will do everything in its power to stop women from speaking. And she knows it will all brilliantly illustrate her core belief: that trans activism is misogyny in disguise, misogyny in drag, if you like, and that it has devoted itself to silencing women who believe in biology.Australia and New Zealand played their parts brilliantly in Parker’s clever scheme. From Melbourne to Canberra, Hobart to Auckland, huge crowds of the right-on turned up to drown out the voices of the pesky women who dare to call men ‘men’. ‘Let women speak’, Parker says. ‘No’, says the mob. She incites them to confess their misogyny and intolerance in full public view. And they do. Auckland was the worst. At Albert park in the centre of the city yesterday, the mob could not hide its vengeful loathing of the uppity women who disagree with its ideologies. Parker is a new kind of witch, one who willingly submits herself to a witch-trial, so that the rest of us might see just how dogmatic and unforgiving the new witch-hunters are. I am full of admiration for her. Her courage is shining a light on the visceral intolerance that advances under the banner of identity politics.The events in Auckland should be a wake-up call for liberals everywhere. We glimpsed the iron fist of authoritarianism that lurks in the velvet glove of ‘Be Kind’. The misogynistic streak in trans extremism is undeniable now. Watch enraged men kicking down metal barriers so that they might get closer to the witch Posie and tell me this isn’t sexism masquerading as radicalism. Witness the crowing of men who are delighted that the mob made the ‘coward TERF’ run away and tell me this isn’t chauvinism on steroids. Behold the use of megaphones and expletive-laden chants and physical menace to silence a woman and tell me this isn’t a sexist, censorious crusade against women’s freedom of speech. That mob in Auckland did not emerge out of thin air. No, it was a brutish manifestation of a regressive idea that has been taking hold for some years. Namely, that it should be forbidden to dissent from gender ideology. That it is bigotry to state biological facts. That it ought to be a punishable offence – whether that punishment is being No Platformed or sacked or having objects thrown in your face – to say men are men and women are women.To see where censorship ends up, just look at those grimacing agitators in Auckland, hatred spreading like a current through their number, as they fight with every fibre of their being to prevent the expression of a critical idea. Censorship begets bigotry. It begets violence itself. For the more we tell people that certain words will hurt them, the more we witlessly incite people to hurt those who dare to utter certain words. That mob was drunk on sanctimony. This is what happens when we tell people their identity is the most important thing in the world and that anything that so much as grazes their self-esteem is an outrage that must be crushed. We nurture a generation of navel-gazing Torquemadas. Posie has exposed them, yet again, and for that she deserves our thanks. This time round, the witches might just win.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 27, 2023 7:30:02 GMT 12
The majority of women are not terrified by trans activists. It would appear however, that the majority of trans activists are terrified of one woman... Do you think the protest yesterday was a good look for the trans community and NZ? No. The assault was unjustifiable and as I have already said, I hope the person responsible gets the maximum sentence. The police and intelligence community gravely underestimated the turn out. They were expecting 100-200 people based on sydney numbers. They should have been there to keep the peace. There's obviously a lot of animosity towards hate speech in nz. I am personally surprised at the turn out. Hell even chc and wlg had 1000s of people turn out to support lgbtq+ and that was after possie had left the country.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 27, 2023 8:05:24 GMT 12
Thomes Cranmer's take on this most shameful episode cranmer.substack.com/p/violent-suppression-of-free-speech?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=emailthis comment is particularly poignant Let’s not kid ourselves. Yes, there is free speech in New Zealand, but there is very little robust debate about difficult or controversial topics. Discussion is routinely closed down by slurs, stigmatizing language and official complaints. Local media often avoids politically or socially sensitive topics.
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