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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 27, 2023 16:49:52 GMT 12
Homosexual/lesbian/transgender. Dont have a issue with it all.(seems to be trendy today) But the issue I do have is this. high school, someone identifies as female and changes with girls and cracks a fat,then what?? or girl identifies as male and changes with the boys,is she open to being raped?? lot sick children around today. Hey, I get that gender identity and LGBTQ+ issues can be complicated, but it's important to approach these topics with respect and empathy for people of all backgrounds. It's not a "trendy" issue - it's a human rights issue that deserves understanding and support. And to answer your questions, it's important to remember that gender identity is not the same thing as sexual orientation, and being transgender doesn't make someone a predator or a victim. Schools and other organizations have policies and guidelines in place to create safe and inclusive environments for all students, regardless of their gender identity. The goal is to create an environment where everyone feels respected and supported, and where individuals can access the facilities and accommodations that they need. Overall, the key is to approach these issues with sensitivity and openness to learning. We can all do our part to create a more inclusive and accepting society for everyone.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 27, 2023 18:50:35 GMT 12
would real like to know if Marama stepped onto the pedestal crossing while the convey of bike while going thru or before they when pass....was hit by the first, middle of the bunch or by the last bike? ??
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Post by GO30 on Mar 27, 2023 18:59:15 GMT 12
would real like to know if Marama stepped onto the pedestal crossing while the convey of bike while going thru or before they when pass....was hit by the first, middle of the bunch or by the last bike? ?? Next time you get pinged for being an offensive dipshit just say 'Sorry I was just hit by a motorbike'. If it's OK for a Government Minister to use that as an excuse then surly it's good enough for everyone else as well.
So with that in mind 'Fuck off bitch......and was that a Harley Ferguson that just clipped me?'
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Post by fish on Mar 27, 2023 20:17:52 GMT 12
It would appear I've set a new record for getting banned from a Govt Minister's face book page. About 45 seconds.
All I said was @marama Davidson MP "Look BOTH ways before crossing the road".
And the return comments, apparently I'm victim blaming, AND being threatening... Talk about a rabbit hole.
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Post by jim on Mar 27, 2023 20:25:38 GMT 12
In my inbox this evening ...27 March 2023 To Prime Minister Chris Hipkins, Accountability, please. I liken the counter-protest during the Let Women Speak event to a pack of frenzied rabid dogs frothing at the mouth. I attended the event on Saturday to represent and speak up for women; it was an event about women, by women for women. What I witnessed was an attack on women. No matter what people thought about Kellie-Jay, her event was a free speech opportunity to listen to the concerns of a sex that feels let down and vulnerable in their spaces and that's why I was there. The counter-protest from the trans community was an attack on another protected group - women. It shows that women are clearly not protected. Abusing women for their opinion is nothing to be proud of. The crowd celebrated in a frenzy when their intimidating behavior forced the handful of women remaining on stage to seek safety. Prime Minister, whilst there was a crowd from the rainbow community, I know there will be as many, maybe more, from their community who were disgusted by the display of hatred, intimidation, and vitriol that was directed at a very small group of women yesterday. The more important concern I wish to convey, is my utter disgust and disappointment with the role of government officials. The government ministers who are servants of all NZ should be ashamed of themselves for enciting one group against another. Will they be held accountable for their role in encouraging the abusive behaviour towards women on Saturday? I would like you, as Prime Minister, to uphold the decency and standard of behaviour expected of all Members of Parliament. The government is there to protect and serve all New Zealand individuals and groups without compromise and bias, and yet members of your government have enabled one protected group to trample on the rights of others. Trans people get accolades and praise for their courage. Women who stand up for the safety of themselves and their children get ridiculed and abused. How is that for equity and inclusion? I was stationed on the rotunda where I witnessed a war on women by many males. It was unsafe for us. Many in that crowd were there to hear from the women, many of them were abused, spat on, intimidated, and threatened. I have messages and emails from those who were attacked. There was a moment when I wondered how I was going to get from the rotunda to safety. If it wasn’t for the assistance of a handful of men who had accompanied me to the event I hate to think of the harm that could have been inflicted on myself and on other women we helped to get out of harm's way. As if violently silencing women was not enough the event also used by one of your Ministers, Greens Co-Leader Marama Davidson, to attack our boys and men. I have two sons and I hate to see them subjected to the racist man-bashing tirade she was spewing. It was putrid and an assault on my senses and I feel for every male, who will be looked at like public enemy number one when it comes to violence. How are our men going to develop when they are constantly blamed for the sins of others instead of being respected for all the good they do? Marama Davidson should stand down for the following reasons: 1) for her male-bashing, stating all violence is caused by men 2) for her racist comment that violence comes from white men 3) for her misuse of power and influence 4) for her unprofessional frenzied rant 5) for using the event to attack a vulnerable group in society who are calling for protection, and last but not least, 6) for using her position to pit one section of society against another in such a divisive way. Considering Davidson is minister in charge of family violence, I would have expected her to have a rounded knowledge of research before making derogatory remarks about one sex. As explained by Dr Neville Robertson of the University of Waikato, "many studies have shown that in the context of heterosexual relationships, women are as violent as men. These studies typically use measures such as the Conflict Tactics Scale, which ask respondents how often they have used specific acts of violence against their partners – and/or how often their partner has used those acts against them". Why then has Davidson stated that all violence is from males? Even more outrageous, why blame everything on white males? This is blatantly false. The latest research on unreported sexual violence reveals that almost 30 percent of New Zealand adults experience intimate partner violence, or sexual violence, at some point in their life. There’s been no significant change in the level of crime in New Zealand in the past five years. Is this not an important discussion that we need to have as a society? With this in mind, how can you justify the blasé dismissal of women’s concerns around abuse and the violent suppression of an event held to highlight these concerns? Why would you condone the counter-protest on Saturday not only silencing women’s voices but also adding to victimisation of women through violent and intimidating behaviour - women, many of whom have already suffered from previous trauma? Please, do the right thing for these women. www.justice.govt.nz/about/news-and-media/news/latest-crime-survey-reveals-surprising-high-levels-of-unreported-sexual-violence/#:~:text=The%20survey%20reveals%20that%20almost%2030%20regards Co-leader New Conservative Party Helen Houghton
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 27, 2023 21:00:47 GMT 12
Man, I'm really struggling to wrap my head around that post.
Coming out all gung-ho about women's rights, but they're from a political party that's anti-abortion and doesn't believe in women's rights.
Like, what gives?
It just seems so weird and contradictory. I can't tell if they've actually changed their views or if they're just trying to win over more voters. Either way, it's confusing as hell and I'm left scratching my head trying to figure out where they really stand.
What am I missing here?
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Post by jim on Mar 27, 2023 21:13:23 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 27, 2023 21:18:59 GMT 12
Right, so they want to deny women access to safe and legal abortion services which is a violation of their bodily autonomy and reproductive rights. So the are anti-women's rights. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by jim on Mar 27, 2023 21:55:27 GMT 12
while we may not agree with their position on abortion that doesn't detract from her observations/experience on saturday . no fair-minded person should be condoning that performance.
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Post by Cantab on Mar 28, 2023 6:05:08 GMT 12
Right, so they want to deny women access to safe and legal abortion services which is a violation of their bodily autonomy and reproductive rights. So the are anti-women's rights. Thanks for clearing that up. You can read that letter and conclude that they are anti womans rights? Or did you completely change the focus and cherry pick to support the PC narrative? Marama was the point, are you supporting her? The power the Greens have over Labour at the moment trumps all expectations of integrity.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 28, 2023 7:21:05 GMT 12
Slater reaching for the smelling salts finding him self in agreement with Rachel Smalley thebfd.co.nz/2023/03/28/knock-me-down-with-a-feather-i-agree-with-rachel-smalley/some quotes from her I watched what the Greens posted on social media over the weekend, and I’m sure the Government did as well. I imagine Chris Hipkins and the Labour Party will be pretty troubled by what they saw. And they should be. We all should be. Remember this date – Saturday, 25th of March. It’s the day the Greens stepped up and publicly applauded the intimidation and silencing of women. 50 percent of our population is women. 50 percent of the voter base is women. And the Greens say our voice doesn’t matter. Worse, they applauded the men who raised fists, called women c-words, and backed the men who pushed through security fences to intimidate and mob Posie Parker. Hate has no place in society, they say. Hate against who?None of us are allowed to speak. Women, if they raise their hands to speak, they are silenced and abused. Since I wrote my editorial on Thursday, I have been called many things. A Nazi. A Terf. A supporter of hate. Anti-trans. A bigot. A bitch. And far worse. I am none of those things. But I am a woman and I’ve been around these traps for a while. And I do believe that we should all be afforded a voice and an opportunity to speak to issues that impact the world that we live in. That impact our world. And that’s why I wanted to talk to James Shaw and Marama Davidson this morning. Four of the Greens’ senior women were utterly fervent in their opposition to women at the weekend, calling on the public to rise up against the Let Women Speak group, and then applauding the abuse and intimidation that rained down on them. How on earth did the Greens become so anti-women?The Greens won’t accept that you can be pro-trans rights AND pro-women rights. You don’t have to pick a side, but the Greens did. And they opposed women’s rights. In 2023, they opposed women’s rights.And for me… well, the hypocrisy is breathtaking. Earlier this year, I interviewed Greens MP Golriz Ghahraman on the issue unfolding in Iran. She said New Zealand must stand up, and stop the misogyny and the hate and the violence that was raining down on the women of Iran. And then on Saturday, I watched her dog-whistle misogyny and violent behaviour against the women of New Zealand. In the moments before the protest, she posted a picture of herself smiling on Twitter holding a sign where she labelled women’s rights campaigners as Terfs and she wrote “Ready to the fight the Nazis!”That’s me, Golriz. The same woman who stood with you and called for Iran’s women to be given a voice… that same woman is me. And now when I ask for women to be given a voice in a situation that significantly impacts women’s rights, you call me a Nazi and a Terf.In some ways this has been a good happening, because it makes it very clear to the voter base that the Greens are living up to their "Watermelon" label, and are just another repressive party using the environment as a Trojan horse for their true beliefs
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 28, 2023 7:34:09 GMT 12
Right, so they want to deny women access to safe and legal abortion services which is a violation of their bodily autonomy and reproductive rights. So the are anti-women's rights. Thanks for clearing that up. You can read that letter and conclude that they are anti womans rights? Or did you completely change the focus and cherry pick to support the PC narrative? Marama was the point, are you supporting her? The power the Greens have over Labour at the moment trumps all expectations of integrity. The letter's primary focus, in the first 50% of its contents, is on women's rights. Therefore, it is unreasonable to assume that the letter was solely directed at Marama. While Marama may be the point of the second half of the letter, the first half is clearly dedicated to advocating for women's rights and protecting them. The author and their political party have been vocal about their stance against the erosion of women's rights, rather than actively supporting them. This is why I found it peculiar that they were now taking a position that is clearly against women's rights, leading me to question their motives. If they had started the letter by acknowledging their stance that women should have some, but not all, rights - such as the denial of bodily autonomy - then my confusion would have been mitigated. Since the author didn't take such a stance, I was left with doubts about their integrity, and started questioning their underlying motives and agenda. The main problem I see is that the author fails to embody the values they're urging Marama to uphold, making it extremely challenging to consider them credible. Giving power to Houghton to hold Marama accountable only serves to legitimize and reinforce the toxic ideology that underpins her own actions. By doing so, we risk normalizing the actions and beliefs of Houghton, which can have dangerous and far-reaching consequences.
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Post by eri on Mar 28, 2023 8:04:08 GMT 12
as always bryce hits some zingers Saturday’s clash of cultures is a sign of where politics is heading in New Zealand – towards a fully-fledged culture war. This is something normally more associated with American politics – but also increasingly in places like the UK.
“Parker’s opponents made sure that she was in the news most of the week”, and “They helped her spread her message. They played right into her hands.”
“So ready to fight N*zis”. Co-leader and Government Minister Marama Davidson put out a video to say that she was “so proud” of the protesters. And obviously wearing her hat of Minister for Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence she used the event to declare that only “white cis men” commit violence.
Leftwing activist and blogger Martyn Bradbury attended Saturday’s rally and counter-rally and was appalled by both sides. He says: “Right now the entire community need to actually step back and consider how the militant cancel culture element of the debate has alienated everyone else and created the environment where Posie Parker can thrive.”
The two parliamentary parties stoking the culture wars are Act and the Greens. Those parties will gain a much higher profile if cultural issues keep rising to the fore. The Greens will pick up middle class supporters whose main focus is on social justice issues, while Act might be able to pick up more anti-woke working class supporters in provincial New Zealand.
Squeezed in the middle are the major parties of Labour and National, who are desperate to stay out of it all
Peters pushed all the buttons on the culture war issues – claiming that the education system was the victim of “virtue signalling tinkerers”, and that government departments were more focused on relabelling themselves with Māori names than actually doing the mahi. Co-governance was also targeted as an elite agenda that would take away the “one person, one vote” Western tradition of democracy.
The main problem in culture wars arise when there is no room for nuanced discussion, openness or a willingness to learn from others and opponents. Overall, there is a need for healthier debate and engagement in New Zealand politics.
This is something political columnist Janet Wilson wrote about in the weekend, arguing that we have a declining culture of critical thinking and open-mindedness: “That growing inability to think critically enables what Illinois University Ilana Redstone calls The Certainty Trap, that sense of self-righteousness that comes with having brutally judged, then condemned and dismissed, someone with whom we disagree.eveningreport.nz/2023/03/27/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-the-ugly-stoking-of-a-culture-war-in-election-year/
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Post by GO30 on Mar 28, 2023 8:10:28 GMT 12
Right, so they want to deny women access to safe and legal abortion services which is a violation of their bodily autonomy and reproductive rights. So the are anti-women's rights. Thanks for clearing that up. It all depends on your beliefs. Some call it women's rigths, others call it murdering babies.
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Post by eri on Mar 28, 2023 8:24:22 GMT 12
marama has been forced to walk back her "only white CIS(normal-straight) men commit violence" comment but it shows how far removed from reality maori activists are about their own issues and how unfit the greens are for gov. Māori students (18%) were more likely to report having experienced sexual abuse or coercion than their New Zealand European counterparts 12%. (Te Puni Kōkiri 2017)respected.org.nz/get-involved/statistics/... This survey highlighted in regards to lifetime prevalence that 53.5% of Māori surveyed experienced some form of physical abuse and 29.1% sexual abuse
compared to 31.5% physical abuse and 14.9 % sexual abuse reported by Pacific peoples;
30.3% physical abuse and 16% sexual abuse reported by Pākehā. 10.5% physical abuse and 3.8% sexual abuse reported by Asian peoples researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz › bitstream › handle › 10289 › 12338 › Māori Cultural Defini The enabling of known Māori male abusers to take a privileged role within pōwhiri has been actively challenged by many of those that were a part of Te Kākano o Te Whānau and those now working as part of organisations such as Ngā Kaitiaki Māuri, Tū Tama Wahine, Tū Wāhine, Te Puna Oranga and many others. I have seen Māori women stand within pōwhiri and upon marae at significant occasions and challenge directly known perpetuators of violence.Civilians at risk as gang members target wrong addresses in drive-by shootings, report showswww.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486847/civilians-at-risk-as-gang-members-target-wrong-addresses-in-drive-by-shootings-report-showsdoes she think pre-colonial nz was free from violence? how does she think the pre-waitangi signing, maori practice of slavery was upheld? Winston Peters, leader of New Zealand First, called Davidson's remarks "peak madness". "Her offensive, racist, and sexist remarks are typical of a minister who has lost any right and authority to hold her portfolio... The Prime Minister must have higher standards than shown by Minister Davidson."ACT leader David Seymour said if Davidson "can't front up with evidence for her statement about white men... she should resign"."Her outburst would be a firing offence in most Governments. Helen Clark sacked John Tamihere after offensive comments about particular groups came to light. Will Chris Hipkins apply the same standard?" he said.
"Her statements are wrong and offensive. Chris Hipkins needs to decide what sort of standards he accepts from his ministers. If he thinks this is acceptable, he is setting the bar very low."
The Ministry of Justice's latest data release about violence offences shows in 2022, 7743 individuals described as Māori were charged with violent offences. This compares to 5033 European, 1795 Pacific Peoples, and 576 Asian. www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/marama-davidson-blames-being-hit-by-motorcycle-for-lack-of-clarity-in-white-cis-men-comments.html
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