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Post by ComfortZone on May 10, 2024 20:46:48 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on May 16, 2024 20:52:40 GMT 12
Well those who left last Friday for Fiji will arrive in the next couple of days, going on posts generally an ok passage altho Tuesday night did not sound comfortable. Minerva reef seems to be a major parking lot for those headed for Tonga, wind is coming straight from Nukulofa  somewhat further west, boats from Australia who were heading for New Cal have a major problem, the riots in Noumea and elsewhere have closed the port, no one can clear in, the fleet look like they are heading for Vanuatu. |
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Post by em on May 17, 2024 8:51:44 GMT 12
Well those who left last Friday for Fiji will arrive in the next couple of days, going on posts generally an ok passage altho Tuesday night did not sound comfortable. Minerva reef seems to be a major parking lot for those headed for Tonga, wind is coming straight from Nukulofa View Attachmentsomewhat further west, boats from Australia who were heading for New Cal have a major problem, the riots in Noumea and elsewhere have closed the port, no one can clear in, the fleet look like they are heading for Vanuatu. Last week I noticed high altitude turbo props going over our place on 3 seperate occasions . Jumped on flight radar and it was Hercules en route to New Cal . Makes you wonder what they were taking up there and how did they have quite a bit of forewarning that something was going to kick off ? |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 21, 2024 17:41:55 GMT 12
I see Fish's alter-ego has posted this on that other forum with this posted by someone else
From MNZ:
Good afternoon,
We are writing to let you know that changes to the administrative arrangements for assessing the adequacy of recreational craft departing for overseas will be coming into effect soon.
Effective 1 July 2024, Maritime NZ will assume the administration and delivery of section 21 requirements following Yachting New Zealand's decision, after careful consideration, to return the delegation to Maritime NZ.
Maritime NZ is committed to continuing the effective delivery of this work.
Background
As you will be aware, Section 21 of the Maritime Transport Act is designed to support the safe passage of recreational craft and their crew when departing for overseas, requiring the Director of Maritime NZ to be satisfied that the craft itself, the safety equipment it carries, and the crew, are all adequate for the intended voyage.
For a number of years, the Director of Maritime NZ has delegated assessment of these matters to Yachting NZ and Yachting NZ appointed Inspectors, and has supported that function through the provision of Director Guidance on the craft adequacy assessment and, in some instances, specialist advice and support from our Maritime Officers.
On 30 June 2024, the current five-year delegation with Yachting NZ expires. Yachting NZ has decided to return its delegation to Maritime NZ for this function.
Maritime NZ acknowledges and thanks Yachting NZ and Yachting NZ Inspectors for their expertise, knowledge and work over the many years they have held the delegation to help ensure the safety of craft and their crew voyaging away from New Zealand shores.
Maritime NZ and Yachting NZ are working together to prepare for the transition of this function, and are committed to ensuring it is managed well and communicated clearly to the sector.
From 1 July 2024
Detailed information about the changes will be made available soon on the Maritime NZ and Yachting NZ’s websites, and through a range of other channels. Some key things to know at this time are:
From 1 July 2024, if you want to take your recreational craft overseas you will need to apply to Maritime NZ for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft) (previously, you applied for a CAT I Certificate through a Yachting NZ Inspector).
There is not intended to be any significant change to the vessel, safety equipment or crew adequacy requirements.
There is also not expected to be a significant change in the costs associated with these processes at this time (noting that all fees are subject to review over time).
Skippers and crew will experience some changes in terms of the process and documentation to be completed, and the terminology used for some things, however these are not intended to be burdensome and will be well-signalled.
Maritime NZ is confident the process from 1 July 2024 will be efficient and fit-for-purpose for those seeking assessment under the section 21 requirements. To help ensure this though, we will be asking applicants to carefully check and follow updated guidance and processes from Maritime NZ when these are available.
Maritime NZ has set up a dedicated email for skippers, crew and other interested members of the sector to contact us directly with your questions and enquiries, which is now active. You can contact us at: RecreationalInternationalVoyage@maritimenz.govt.nz
Club safety remains a key focus for Yachting New Zealand, which will continue to manage their Category 1-5 inspections for boats competing in yacht races. If you are participating in a yacht race overseas (and your craft’s voyage starts in New Zealand), you will still need to meet the requirements under Section 21, and apply for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft).
Maritime NZ will be continuing to engage with the sector as it implements the new process. As with all regulatory settings, it will keep the Section 21 regime under review when opportunities arise, to ensure it remains fit-for-purpose; again with input from the sector.
We look forward to providing you with further updates and letting you know when more detailed information is available on our website.
Your sincerely
Maritime New Zealand
So YNZ will happily keep taking levies from clubs where the vast majority of members are not racers, so are shitting all over cruisers. MNZ have already fucked off alot of their commercial vessel surveyors, so who is going to be undertaking the Cat 1 Inspections? Someone from the Asian subcontinent undertaking the inspection wearing a lifejacket, safety boots and holding a clip board! This could see a whole lot more cruisers registering offshore, Poland seems to be the flavour of the month.
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out, we had thoughts about going away next year, this makes me think twice.
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Post by Cantab on Jun 21, 2024 18:15:41 GMT 12
Voluntary declaration and compliance like every other country in the world?
MNZ is quite good at cost vs benefit regulation, possibly very little benefit from a difficult inspection system. The offshore registerd boats seem to get on just fine leaving NZ. Rescues seem to be mostly cat 1 certified vessels.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 22, 2024 8:13:02 GMT 12
Voluntary declaration and compliance like every other country in the world? MNZ is quite good at cost vs benefit regulation, possibly very little benefit from a difficult inspection system. The offshore registerd boats seem to get on just fine leaving NZ. Rescues seem to be mostly cat 1 certified vessels. Problem here is the law (Section 21) says the director of MNZ has to take "reasonable actions" to verify vessels are safe to sail. I feel totally betrayed by Abrecrombie and his mates at YNZ. They talk about consultation, certainly none with cruisers who are yacht club members
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Post by GO30 on Jun 22, 2024 13:56:24 GMT 12
Voluntary declaration and compliance like every other country in the world? MNZ is quite good at cost vs benefit regulation, possibly very little benefit from a difficult inspection system. The offshore registerd boats seem to get on just fine leaving NZ. Rescues seem to be mostly cat 1 certified vessels. Problem here is the law (Section 21) says the director of MNZ has to take "reasonable actions" to verify vessels are safe to sail. I feel totally betrayed by Abrecrombie and his mates at YNZ. They talk about consultation, certainly none with cruisers who are yacht club members
If MNZ feel any potential liability issues they will back off quick. Which then makes one wonder when the rule of the sea, which everyone seems to support or at least say they do inc YNZ and MNZ, says very cleanly and clearly 'final responsibility lies with the skipper'. So when YNZ/MNZ certify a craft as OK by their rules and then the skipper says otherwise who wins that battle? If it then goes to court even more interesting. One even wonders why they bother considering how much is swapped on and off after Inspections anyway.
Again CZ, a point many don't realise or forget. The ONLY Sailors YNZ are there for are Olympians, YNZ IS NOT THERE for any other sailors. They claim to be there to support the Clubs, but many will tell you they don't see much of that actually happening. In my years in club management YNZ's biggest and near only moment was the boss arguing with me that I should ignore NZ privacy laws and hand over all the members info, something we could not do as we had not asked members permission as the law requires. His argument for that was 'they do it on Facebook'. The members we asked all said 'What do they want it for?', YNZ response was only 'to help administer the sport', which falls very short of the legal requirements. If clubs do not hand over the info YNZ excludes them from all of the 'benefits' they often promote. YNZ is very much a petulant wee thing.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 1, 2024 18:30:43 GMT 12
MNZ now have their web page running for International Cruising Certificates www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/boating-basics/taking-your-boat-overseas/Amongst many words they say Maritime NZ will be engaging with the sector as it implements the new process. As with all regulatory settings, it will keep the section 21 regime under review when opportunities arise, to ensure it remains fit-for-purpose; again with input from the sector. The associated fee will be reviewed as a normal part of future funding reviews.
Who exactly will they engage with? I will be sending an email asking this Who is going to be undertaking the inspections? I don't believe many of the current YNZ inspectors want to work of MNZ, they know it is a nest of vipers Note the final sentence, they have already (from what YNZ inspectors charged) and will continue to put the price up every year because of course all cruisers are rich pricks
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Post by Cantab on Jul 1, 2024 19:04:04 GMT 12
There are a lot of polish registered yachts leaving New Zealand.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 6, 2024 10:32:11 GMT 12
so according to the liars at YNZ The first is Yachting New Zealand's decision to return the Section 21 delegation to Maritime New Zealand after the five-year agreement expired on June 30, 2024.
This means that, from July 1, 2024, Yachting New Zealand will no longer manage the safety inspection system for recreational craft and their crew departing overseas. This function will instead be performed by Maritime New Zealand and follows months of discussions with the regulatory body and various other stakeholders.
We believe the system requires more active management and that Maritime New Zealand is better equipped to do this in future.
How does this impact on yachties?
In practice, it will affect only a small number of affiliated club members cruising offshore. It is important to note that Yachting New Zealand will continue to manage category 1-5 inspections for boats competing in yacht racing, in line with our Safety Regulations of Sailing.
So who were the stakeholders consulted? Certainly not those directly impacted by this change, ie we cruisers So good to know we cruisers are just "collateral damage", my SYC renewal will have the YNZ levy deducted and I will be putting forward a motion at the AGM to have the club break its expensive affiliation with YNZ
Notwithstanding YNZ crying poor doing the safety inspections, Abercrombie is still trying to build his monument, this time at GH |
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