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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 19:51:36 GMT 12
The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because her handle was made of wood She was one of them
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Post by dutyfree on Dec 7, 2021 8:43:39 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Dec 7, 2021 18:11:01 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 20:54:37 GMT 12
I've got a feeling that tonight's gonna . . Ooops that's the song in my head.... I've got a feeling that Donkey chops, once she feels she might lose, will go hard and push thru her socialist agenda, then step down about 4- 6 months out from the election.
She will be remembered but not in a good way and as the results of her socialist reforms are realised she will be found to have been the worst leader in NZs history... Reasons why..
Racial division Debt Crime Suicide rate Rural divide Class seperation/divide Health reforms Education underachievement Policing reduction Small business destruction Inflation Beneficiary abuse Child poverty ...
And to think that 30 years ago we achieved 3x more with 10x less and we had none of the mico managing regulations we have today. ...
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Post by Cantab on Dec 8, 2021 6:04:00 GMT 12
In the Core Crown, personnel expenditure was $6.89 billion in the 2016/2017 financial year, and $9.36b in the 2020/21 financial year, a 35.8 per cent increase. This represents a 10.4 per cent change in the last year alone.www.nzherald.co.nz/business/number-of-public-servants-paid-over-400000-almost-doubles-in-a-year/KMLO6AZVNWFXWCPBAXAM7KNPRU/An extra 2.5 billion a year in wages, 35.8% increase, and negative results. Obviously different performance review KPI's in the public sector. A Government, and Public sector, that pretty much fails at everything they set out to do, thinks it should take charge of more of the economy and infrastructure because they will be better at managing it?
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Post by Fogg on Dec 8, 2021 6:10:50 GMT 12
This is a tricky one.
There are some fundamental reasons why any government - regardless of political colour - will expand over time. It’s an unfortunate necessity / reality of modern life.
The question is how stringently it should pare back on what it does do and be more self-aware of what it does or does not do well.
That’s not a debate I’ve heard much recently from anyone.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 8, 2021 7:28:28 GMT 12
It will prove self balancing. Increased interest rates coming. Too few people producing.Too many bureaucrats being paid too much to micro manage incompetently.Private sector being selected against.Too much borrowing.Too much of that borrowing being spent on non productive ideology(wasted) and ...bizzo...a self fulfilling result. Huge financial "reset".I'd be getting out of debt now but for NZ it's too late per schooner post above
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 8, 2021 7:38:54 GMT 12
It will prove self balancing. Increased interest rates coming. Too few people producing.Too many bureaucrats being paid too much to micro manage incompetently.Private sector being selected against.Too much borrowing.Too much of that borrowing being spent on non productive ideology(wasted) and ...bizzo...a self fulfilling result. Huge financial "reset".I'd be getting out of debt now but for NZ it's too late per schooner post above Notable that NZ's OCR is climbing, currently 0.75% (still low but a sign of things to come) whilst across the Tasman the RBA confirmed no change in their rate at 0.1%. Certainly agree at the personal level to reduce debt in NZ to max extent possible
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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 8, 2021 7:50:04 GMT 12
Obviously different performance review KPI's in the public sector. Their KPI's are based on the number of people working below them in their pyramid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 8:56:40 GMT 12
This is a tricky one. There are some fundamental reasons why any government - regardless of political colour - will expand over time. It’s an unfortunate necessity / reality of modern life. The question is how stringently it should pare back on what it does do and be more self-aware of what it does or does not do well. That’s not a debate I’ve heard much recently from anyone. if u can centralize water into one organization then you can centralize NZ into one organization too. Of the top of my head... Get rid of all the seats and have a 5 person management team ( plus advisors) Voted via FPP. Then introduce a mandatory system where every kiwi can raise a concern ( per day limit) and every kiwis electronically votes on it ( live 24/7). If a issue receives over 75% votes the managment has to implement it. After all it is the advisors that make all the decisions. The MPs are just muppets with mouth's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 12:44:26 GMT 12
This is a tricky one. There are some fundamental reasons why any government - regardless of political colour - will expand over time. It’s an unfortunate necessity / reality of modern life. The question is how stringently it should pare back on what it does do and be more self-aware of what it does or does not do well. That’s not a debate I’ve heard much recently from anyone. if u can centralize water into one organization then you can centralize NZ into one organization too. Of the top of my head... Get rid of all the seats and have a 5 person management team ( plus advisors) Voted via FPP. Then introduce a mandatory system where every kiwi can raise a concern ( per day limit) and every kiwis electronically votes on it ( live 24/7). If a issue receives over 75% votes the managment has to implement it. After all it is the advisors that make all the decisions. The MPs are just muppets with mouth's. apologies to the muppets. They had integrity.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 8, 2021 13:34:57 GMT 12
And to think that 30 years ago we achieved 3x more with 10x less and we had none of the mico managing regulations we have today. I’m not going to focus on the actual numbers here because I think you mean to be illustrative not exact. But conceptually consider for a moment the fundamental reason why this is always going to be the case - namely governments will get bigger and less efficient over time… 1. Scope creep. Half of what Govts do will succeed and half will fail. And in response (and to avoid too much criticism from opposition) they will double-down on the failures and each minister will demand more money & resources to have another go. 2. Labour costs. By definition Govt services are labour-intensive. Teachers, doctors & nurses, social services, police, military etc are all people-based business that won’t be automated anytime soon. In contrast the private sector enjoys far more efficiency gains from tech-enabled automation. Of course Govts can always do more to be more efficient at the edges but fundamentally there’s no escaping the high labour cost. Therefore relative to the rest of the (more efficient) economy, the Govt will appear to get bigger and less efficient. 3. Portfolio creep. We (electorate) will demand that Govts do more than in the past resulting in them having whole new portfolios and departments in response to ‘demand’ eg climate change. There’s not much you can do about 1 & 2. But 3 is where you can get some gains if you have a Govt that believes it should look to reduce its scope as often as possible eg privatisation of services. I personally don’t think the Govt should be in the business of housing development either - but they should help create optimum conditions for private sector to perform instead. So there you go, a defence for some aspects of big government (regardless of colour) and ideas on how some could get smaller.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 8, 2021 13:56:44 GMT 12
if u can centralize water into one organization then you can centralize NZ into one organization too. Of the top of my head... Get rid of all the seats and have a 5 person management team ( plus advisors) Voted via FPP. Then introduce a mandatory system where every kiwi can raise a concern ( per day limit) and every kiwis electronically votes on it ( live 24/7). If a issue receives over 75% votes the managment has to implement it. After all it is the advisors that make all the decisions. The MPs are just muppets with mouth's. apologies to the muppets. They had integrity.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 8, 2021 14:10:53 GMT 12
The downfall of that proposal is people's inability to deal with the complexities and detail. Just like the pollies do now but at least they can get the reports from bureaucrats/consultants. Then the trick is to sort the wheat from chaff.This is where political influence( read $$$) comes in. From experience I can attest that sometimes the public opinion can be way wrong. Mainly from disinformation in media who pursue their own agenda. Media in NZ long ago quit reporting real news and instead created it. Mostly Left Wing socialist "journalists"who got their 'degrees' from tickbox Universities. Like Waikato and guess who's got a tickbox 'degree' in communications from there. 3 years to learn 'don't do as I do, do as I say "
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:26:21 GMT 12
And to think that 30 years ago we achieved 3x more with 10x less and we had none of the mico managing regulations we have today. I’m not going to focus on the actual numbers here because I think you mean to be illustrative not exact. But conceptually consider for a moment the fundamental reason why this is always going to be the case - namely governments will get bigger and less efficient over time… 1. Scope creep. Half of what Govts do will succeed and half will fail. And in response (and to avoid too much criticism from opposition) they will double-down on the failures and each minister will demand more money & resources to have another go. 2. Labour costs. By definition Govt services are labour-intensive. Teachers, doctors & nurses, social services, police, military etc are all people-based business that won’t be automated anytime soon. In contrast the private sector enjoys far more efficiency gains from tech-enabled automation. Of course Govts can always do more to be more efficient at the edges but fundamentally there’s no escaping the high labour cost. Therefore relative to the rest of the (more efficient) economy, the Govt will appear to get bigger and less efficient. 3. Portfolio creep. We (electorate) will demand that Govts do more than in the past resulting in them having whole new portfolios and departments in response to ‘demand’ eg climate change. There’s not much you can do about 1 & 2. But 3 is where you can get some gains if you have a Govt that believes it should look to reduce its scope as often as possible eg privatisation of services. I personally don’t think the Govt should be in the business of housing development either - but they should help create optimum conditions for private sector to perform instead. So there you go, a defence for some aspects of big government (regardless of colour) and ideas on how some could get smaller. Have to think about that. Just don't see how you need a team of thousands to make decisions on obvious stuff or stupid stuff.
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