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Post by eri on Dec 8, 2021 18:05:07 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Dec 8, 2021 18:43:52 GMT 12
Only selected indigenous people Eri. I am an indigenous New Zealander. Try telling that to the woke, a millennial or a Maori. I have and man oh man does it spark the muppets up. But I am 100% correct so I fight thru my shyness and...yeah OK, I wind the crap out of them before dropping in a very simple line 'Go read a fucking dictionary'. Figurative mic drop as I walk away. It clearly shows up how shit the NZ school system must be or how deep the rabbit hole the muppet has gone down.
No an edit here as I was not as fair as I should have been. I'd like to change "to the woke, a millennial or a Maori." to 'the woke or some millennials and some Maori'. Woke are muppets and irreparable but the other 2 groups do contain some common sense and those who have had a decent education.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 20:48:44 GMT 12
eri, So Willie Jackson is ok with selecting Maori for the councils board without a democratic process or system but has always opposed us colonialists for supposedly doing the same thing.., seems Willie's solution to the colonialists rape and pillage is to rape and pillage.
What a tosser.
Someone explain what an indigenous new Zealander is? A full blood Maori?. A part Maori and at what percentage?, A moriori?
I think many kiwis don't understand the treaty and why it was drafted, and why Maori wanted to sign it?
Without it the likes of Te Rauparaha would have continued his/thier genocide (Te Rauparaha killed and estimated 100,000) of Maori and they may not have survived.
But it's interesting how the modern generation now spin a different story. Instead of appreciating the good will of both parties/ signatories
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Post by eri on Dec 9, 2021 16:30:10 GMT 12
But Business NZ CEO Kirk Hope said on Thursday his organisation was "not prepared to be part of a compulsory scheme that is unfair and out of touch with modern ways of working" and had "formally rejected" the Government's offer to be the default bargaining party for employers.
"Compulsory FPAs are unlawful under both current domestic and international employment laws and are totally out of step with how we need to work in 2021. They aren't needed, they remove the flexibility and autonomy of modern workplaces and won't improve pay and conditions for hardworking Kiwis.
"After thoroughly reviewing the latest proposal, we've formally refused the Government's offer. It's wrong for us to be part of a scheme that will do more harm than good to businesses and employees. That also means we have turned down $250,000 in Government funding."
Federated Farmers has already indicated it will not function as a mediator.
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/labour-loses-fair-pay-agreements-partner-business-new-zealand.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 20:39:44 GMT 12
But Business NZ CEO Kirk Hope said on Thursday his organisation was "not prepared to be part of a compulsory scheme that is unfair and out of touch with modern ways of working" and had "formally rejected" the Government's offer to be the default bargaining party for employers.
"Compulsory FPAs are unlawful under both current domestic and international employment laws and are totally out of step with how we need to work in 2021. They aren't needed, they remove the flexibility and autonomy of modern workplaces and won't improve pay and conditions for hardworking Kiwis.
"After thoroughly reviewing the latest proposal, we've formally refused the Government's offer. It's wrong for us to be part of a scheme that will do more harm than good to businesses and employees. That also means we have turned down $250,000 in Government funding."
Federated Farmers has already indicated it will not function as a mediator.
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/labour-loses-fair-pay-agreements-partner-business-new-zealand.html All these changes!?... . change is a horrible word and should be banned . Change means nothing and adds nothing when used as a description of what you are going to do. It adds no quantifiable value to anything If everybody used the word improve instead of change then we would see commitment to the challenge and some accountability to the result. Any body can say change. Change could be good or bad. Change has no intrinsic value and commits nobody to a result. This government is changing lots and improving f#$k all |
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Post by Cantab on Dec 10, 2021 6:20:39 GMT 12
Climate improvement works for me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 6:47:07 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 9:29:41 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Dec 10, 2021 10:28:29 GMT 12
Someone explain what an indigenous new Zealander is? A full blood Maori?. A part Maori and at what percentage?, A moriori? All Maori would be indigenous, part or full blooded is irrelevant. Those born and breed here at least. If a Maori was born in Aussie for example, and raised there they can not came to be indigenous NZ as they are not 'a product of NZ' as they will be rasied in a different market, so to speak.
As I was born in NZ by NZ born parents and I have been raised in NZ I am a product of NZ hence I, like millions of my fellow country people, Maori and others not so, can claim to be indigenous, and I do as it is both fun but also educational for the overly marketed too.
Basically Indigenous means 'a product of the land' as most Maori but also a pile of pasty skins also are.
The term Native can be at times not a good one to use as you can be a native of Christchurch for example but still be a import so can't claim indigenous status.
Basically what Maori are claiming is they are Aboriginal but most use the term indigenous to imply the same thing. But NZ has no aboriginal peoples as everyone 'came here', some Maori 800 odd years ago, some not so some years later. There are many peoples around the world who are genuine Aboriginals, the ones over the ditch being a classic example, they have been there since time began, so to speak.
So if you or the dude next to you was born, breed and raised in NZ from, generally speaking, NZ born and breed parents, they can claim to be indigenous.
Or so it was explained to me by an American Professor who studies indigenous peoples. On doing some sussing around the terms she looks to be spot on the money.
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Post by dutyfree on Dec 10, 2021 12:32:40 GMT 12
It really is an interesting debate, indigenous etc. Everybody came from somewhere originally, other than those who are directly related and continuously domiciled through all of history at some "origination" location of the human race. My family on my fathers side arrived in NZ in 1817 and my mothers in 1832. I have no direct Maori blood connection. I consider myself a New Zealander and I am proud of my family's impact on NZ history. My first relative co-wrote the the very first Maori/english dictionary. My mother's family opened up land in what is now Lower Hutt having arrived on the first Settlers ship in Wellington. I am like GO30 "indigenous". I am not european, but I have been to Europe a couple of times  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 12:37:21 GMT 12
Soooo in summary.... We are all the same and thus we don't need the treaty anymore, Maori seats,....
Surely not!..... That means we are one, under one system....
This can't be? 😜
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 12:41:00 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Dec 15, 2021 19:54:13 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 21:51:01 GMT 12
Nice stuff... Never saw that kind of stuff with any other PM. She's very devisive.
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Post by grounded on Dec 16, 2021 4:57:14 GMT 12
Of course Maori are indiginous, and it should also be said that anyone Born(including you and me( in NZ is indiginous to NZ.
The problem is that Indiginous is the wrong word to use. Native is also becoming an incorrect erm, because it could also be argued that many of us are now Native to NZ
Maori would be more correctly termed, "First Peoples". This is one reason why many original people groups around the Worl, such as Native American Indian, are being called First Nations.
However, many of you guys here are falling down the same trap, in that you are creating in your heads, as much division in the argueing of such things as those that purposely divide via racism. Its an easy hole to trip into. Understand that the ones that are creating the divide are not Gvt, but a few minority on both sides if the fence that tend to yell loudly.
However, it could....or is...argued that the Treaty and the way Maori were treated after it's signing, is the reason why those few on the Maori side argue so loudly.
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