Labour & their followers

I am absolutely no authority on the subject of the treaty at all. But I do know more than the average Kiwi in the street I guess, because I was once an average Kiwi in the street and I knew very little about it. Because of the field of Youth Work I got into, I had to learn about the Treaty. But even then, I thought I knew most of the story untill my Wife and I bought the Property we now live on.
I always knew of the "Wairau massacre" (which got changed to "Wairau Incident" and now called the "Wairau Affray"), which is all sad and shocking due to how important this is to our History.
Our Property sits right smack bang on top of where it happened. One day and old fellow was walking along the top of the River bank that runs beside us. Maori used to bring their Canoes up the river and tie them to a tree that still remains today, just 150m up stream of us. He pointed out to us the Ford in the River where the old Horse and Carts used to cross on their Journey on the old track between Picton and Blenheim. A couple of Cabbage trees mark each side of the crossing point. The track then followed what is now my Driveway. This got me really fascinated and I wanted to know much more about the area and where things were and....well what was all this "Affray"actually about anyway.
I was a stunned Mullet. I had no idea about what had accured and why. Sure I knew there had been a fight and People were killed, but I didn't know why.
Hopefully the sollowing isn't going to be too long

Not many understand that the Treaty was signed in two places in NZ. It simply isn't taught. There is an Inlet nearby called Port Underwood. Inside Port Underwood is an Island or Perhaps Peninsula at low tide, where the Treaty was signed by the Chiefs of the Four South Island Tribes.

Only two yrs later, the NZ Land Company based in Wellington was in a pickle. They had sold more land to the Settlers than there was to sell. So a Fellow from the Company produced a Fraudulant Deed and with a magistrate and Surveyors, they went about kicking the Wairau area Maori, off their Land. Problem was, one of the two Maori Tribes was Ngati Toa and their Chief of course was the famous Te Rauparaha. A very smart War Chief and dude you didn't mess with.
4 Maori and some 21 Settlers were killed and several wounded. And the daughter of the Chief of the other tribe was shot and killed.

Instead of me telling the story and making this really long, have a read here. It is really interesting.
paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZGWS18430701.2.9

So this is what kicked it all off. The first of all the Land Wars that were to take place in the various areas of NZ. I had no idea what had happened here. But more importantly, I had no idea that the Land Company had actually been fraudulent and continued to be so, as they kicked Maori of land and Sold it to Settlers. Not just give, but they actually took something that was not theirs and sold it. So the Land Company was corrupt in two ways. As I see it anyway. I had always thought, due to watching the skits on Billy T James, they British negotiated sale of land and I am pretty sure that is what most believe. And I would assume that would have been the case for the ligitimate land that was put aside for the earlier Settlers. But the real argument today, is over the land that was actually taken forcibly by the Land Company and Maori thought hey, we didn't sign up for this part.
Also remember that there are two different texts to the treaty. One in English and one in Maori. But the one in Maori is worded very differently to the English one. Simply because at the time, Maori language did not easily translate to English. They simply did not have words existing to mean things like say "Government" or "Crown". The main argument of discrepency involves the words "Having and Ceding Soverienty.
So the Maori that signed the Maori written treaty had believed they were signing something very different to what the British one actually said.
The Treaty promised to protect Māori culture and to enable Māori to
continue to live in New Zealand as Māori. Maori thought they were simply
gaining the protection of the British from other foreign invaders.
Remember that the French were on their way. Maori did not understand
that when they were signing, their idea of "Protection" actually meant
they were signing their rights to British Soverienty. The British, under
Queen Victoria, believed the Treaty meant they had the sole right to
buy land and thus keeping the French out.
And there we have the problem today.

 Why does the treaty still stand as law today? Because it is Constitutional Law. We cannot say, oh that happened way back then and that was then and now is now, we just all have to learn to live together. We actually have a legal obligation to uphold the Constitutional law and thus rights of all NZ'ers. That includes Maori.
 

Yes absolutely. I do not suggest it is a balanced situation of remediation today. The issue is as I said further back, maybe in another thread even. The People that are being the problem is the minority squeaky wheel group that thinks the Country is still theirs. Remember that not all Maori signed that Treaty. Some opposed it. And then we had the cutting down of the flag pole as well. So today we have a small group of Maori that think the Treaty is null and void and they still have full rights to the Country. They are the ones that make the noise and give all Maori a bad name in the eyes of European. And that is important to understand. it is not ALL Maori. Hence the Waitangi Tribunal. They are supposed to view the entire situation under the law and allocate remediation where and when they judge a claim. Outside of the Tribunal, the Iwis cannot just grab back their land.
Police can only be bought in for "Keeping the Peace" situations. They are not there to be involved in Civil cases. I am not sure if the Gvt would be helpful either in your case. Maybe the Tribunal. But if this is just a squeaky wheel minority being a pain in the A and have no legal claim, all you can do is catch someone in the act of something illegal and prosecute if you can.

Thx G. Prosecuting perpetrators doesn't help the situation. The actions have rendered the land valueless. Until Government upholds land rights maori laugh at us (you and me) Our situation is very similar to Ihumato where the it was only resolved by Government intervention. Remember a farmer up North many years ago...same deal.It's going on throughout NZ but it's being kept under the radar by a compliant media,sympathetic Govt and the gravy train maori

auckland under labour = nz under labour

Auckland Council will continue to swell into a bloated, cash-sucking, employee-thickened, debt-laden beast.

There are now more than 12,000 staff at Auckland Council. Since the Super City was created, the payroll bill has more than doubled and is running just shy of $1 billion a year. One in every four staff members earns more than $100,000 per annum.

general rate increases of over 16 per cent per annum in some suburbs, significantly increased council fees, fuel tax, and the introduction of an extensive number of targeted rates.

Auckland Council's own surveys show council's decision-making ability is not trusted by 80 per cent of Aucklanders. Not a healthy, customer-focused, lean organisation.

A scythe needs to be taken to peel council back to core business. It has taken on too many projects and agendas that are actually the domain of central Government - from climate change, business development, to promoting various social agendas.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greg-sayers-troubling-trends-emerging-at-debt-laden-auckland-council/FGPSYVHQDI3FV337FTWEBOUGIE/

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/businesses-warn-of-bare-shelves-after-government-seizes-covid-tests/6G2JQYZIQTDIO3NSX5WZK6CWMQ/

They have only been told for over a year now to sort this out, can we honestly have any confidence in this lots ability to organise anything?

Caught out