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Post by eri on Feb 15, 2022 18:30:37 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 20:32:54 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Feb 16, 2022 6:08:55 GMT 12
Standard response to anything for Labour, regulate and control any initiative from the private sector. Why would protesting be any different? Do you think there will be rules introduced governing the required response, dialog and consideration, from the protested party?
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 16, 2022 8:09:50 GMT 12
Standard response to anything for Labour, regulate and control any initiative from the private sector. Why would protesting be any different? Do you think there will be rules introduced governing the required response, dialog and consideration, from the protested party? It once again highlights their inability to recognise the potential for unintended consequences. Many very left leaning columnists have spoken against Labour's proposed Hate Speech laws, because they know Labour will not always be the government and those same laws could be used against the left by a future right leaning government. Same would apply to these protest laws.
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Post by Cantab on Feb 18, 2022 17:53:07 GMT 12
Bitchin about other groups taking their action model from overseas.
Bit rich coming from someone following a combination of the communist manifest, the un agenda 2030 and the Davos school of total central control.
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Post by eri on Feb 18, 2022 18:10:01 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Feb 19, 2022 10:32:50 GMT 12
The towies have supported the anti-vaxx protest from the get go. But as they are aware how vindictive Govt Depts, councils etc are rather than risk being fucked over by them the towies gave bullshit responces. Its hardly a surprise and the same thing happens day in day out everyday if the year and always has by everyone, business included.
Look at a the whingers, all are highly piad civil servants, most known to have strong streaks of petty and toady, none of which have taken sweet fuck all for the team of 4,999,999. Those that arent are the woke fueled and twitter twats, 2 groups society would be vastly improved if they all fell into a big hole never to be seen again.
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Post by GO30 on Feb 19, 2022 10:34:52 GMT 12
And the tossers, on both side, don't vote exclusively labour, they do cover the whole spectrum.
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Post by fish on Feb 19, 2022 10:44:36 GMT 12
This is where Labour & Coster's policy of "Policing by Kindness" has come back to bite them on the arse. Very funny. To be fair, the police are kind of screwed. You can't tow a car if someone is inside it. May people are sleeping in their cars... You can't move tow vehicles safely if there are people all around you. All you need is one person to sit down infront of the car and can't back the tow-truck up. Police wont be able to secure the area, so can't stop protestors getting in the way of the tow trucks - they couldn't even clear a lawn in a nice corralled area, let alone secure half of downtown Welly. And that is before you mention the heavy vehicles, campervans, house buses, caravans etc. Defense quiet rightly don't want to be used in conflict against their own people...
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Post by Fogg on Feb 19, 2022 11:02:15 GMT 12
Not sure about NZ but in many countries their armed forces are constitutionally prohibited from working against their own citizens.
See my other comments about the risk of NZ govt following Canada and freezing bank accounts of protestors AND non-protesting donators.
So if you’ve already made a donation to the protestors in theory you could be at risk of your bank account being frozen - if NZ follows Canada (not such an outrageous idea)…
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Post by fish on Feb 19, 2022 11:20:19 GMT 12
Not sure about NZ but in many countries their armed forces are constitutionally prohibited from working against their own citizens. See my other comments about the risk of NZ govt following Canada and freezing bank accounts of protestors AND non-protesting donators. So if you’ve already made a donation to the protestors in theory you could be at risk of your bank account being frozen - if NZ follows Canada (not such an outrageous idea)… That would include me. Good way to start a revolution, I would think. They are already talking about mandate over-reach. Massive judicial over-reach like that would really kick things off. Freezing a bank account would mean I can't by food or pay my mortgage, amongst other things. That would impact the Bank, and have an impact on wider economic activity. I wouldn't be surprised if they try and use that new money laundering set of rules to seize donated funds from the protestors. Going after every donor would have massive blowback. The flip side, how much of a problem is the protest in Welly? The Court of Appeal has closed their building because of the noise. Surely they could just get Trevor to turn his speakers off? Then the protestors would not need to drown it out. A couple of bus routes screwed up. And a few businesses that were stuffed under the Red light setting anyway. There is at most a dozen businesses directly affected (i.e. in the protest area, over and above red light settings). Just pay them out and ignore the protest until Saint Bloomfield winds back the mandates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 16:29:01 GMT 12
Meh. Accounts get suspended all the time.
If you are collecting money to support an activity that's been deemed illegal expect your funds to be frozen.
If you're donating money to support illegal activity expect to have your funds frozen.
NZ banks are always closing/freezing accounts. Visa and MC frequently withdraw merchant status for organisations they don't agree with.
It if happens to you it serves you fucking right.
Canada has been super clear, if you support this activity after it was deemed to be illegal expect to pay the price. Anyone stupid enough to donate money to the cause after that announcement deserves to have their life made a fucking misery.
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Post by Fogg on Feb 19, 2022 16:37:08 GMT 12
Generally freezing accounts is a last-resort tactic used for international criminals / terrorists / drug cartels / corrupt regimes etc.
It’s not the normal response of a developed nation against its own people when they are engaging in mildly inconvenient protest where the biggest ‘crime’ is some inconveniently parked cars.
I mean, I grew up in unionised Britain and lived through the incredibly socially divisive period of the miners strike and the Poll Tax riots. And even Thatcher didn’t adopt tactics like freezing bank accounts.
I could imagine that if someone asked Jacinda about freezing Wellington protestor accounts she would probably say “Never in NZ, that’s just not the Kiwi way.”
But she said that about vaccine mandates…
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 16:50:57 GMT 12
Agreed. The Canadian freight blockade was having an impact on the economy and effecting a massive proportion of the population. Their response is relative.
Here in Wellington there's a few pissed off businesses, a closed uni, a few govt offices and a few bitching local residents, of which most have moved out for safety reasons.
Sucks to be them, fortunately I live up the hill so it's not impacting me. I made the mistake of walking past the other day and a got vile abuse thrown at me multiple different times. I can just take a longer route, to avoid them, whipty do dah.
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Post by Fogg on Feb 19, 2022 18:21:20 GMT 12
Agreed. The Canadian freight blockade was having an impact on the economy and effecting a massive proportion of the population. Their response is relative. Here in Wellington there's a few pissed off businesses, a closed uni, a few govt offices and a few bitching local residents, of which most have moved out for safety reasons. Sucks to be them, fortunately I live up the hill so it's not impacting me. I made the mistake of walking past the other day and a got vile abuse thrown at me multiple different times. I can just take a longer route, to avoid them, whipty do dah. Ok, so if you simply walked past the protesters and copped a load of abuse then I totally understand why you would feel anti-them. I would feel the same. In that regard, the protesters are not doing themselves any favours and should tidy up their act. But then again, who said mass protesting was clean & tidy!
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