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Post by fish on Apr 11, 2024 15:53:07 GMT 12
Maybe Paddy and his fellow journos need to rethink or retrain in another industry like many other people. I was employed in the newspaper industry many years ago as a newspaper compositor. That was at the Auckland Star and 8 8oclock when Neil Roberts was there and Phil Gifford was writing as losehead Len. When the papers went from hot metal to cold type, hundreds of people at the Star and the NZ Herald were made redundant over night. Life goes on. Paddy and his mates appear to be thinking they are a little bit precious. They were fun days with a very heavy drinking culture through the whole industry. Over the pub for lunch every day and then Saturday night tea break back to swill as much as possible as quick as possible before going back to finish getting the 8 o'clock to press. Don't think Work Safe would be impressed of those practices these days. Many years ago, at High School, I had a fairly eccentric economics teacher. He said that it is normal for most people to have 3 different careers over their lifetime. I've been through two distinct careers so far (completely different industries) and looks like I might just be starting on my third installment. I can't see why anyone in the media would be any different. One door closes, another one opens. Adapt or die, etc. PS, how much does Paddy get paid? and all these highly preened teleprompt readers? Are they all on $800k ish? or are any of them on 'normal' money? (Normal being maybe $80k to $150k ish range) |
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Post by harrytom on Apr 11, 2024 16:14:14 GMT 12
Paddy Gower has issues, he certainly does. Did he even watched a episode he produced. Total crap journalism.
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Post by chariot on Apr 11, 2024 20:41:47 GMT 12
You are absolutely right fish. Since I walked out the door of the Star I have never set foot in another print house.
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Post by GO30 on Apr 12, 2024 9:39:40 GMT 12
I heard Paddy on the tranny (sistor) chatting to someone and when the chat was around the 'go woke go broke' he said the 'they can get stuff comment' which many have picked up on but amongst it he said 'the problem is the public did not understand what we needed them too, we explained ourselves poorly'.
The they can get stuffed comment along side the other very strongly suggest he simply does not understand what's happening or why. It also reinforces the media have an agenda and are now realising, maybe, the public don't want it.
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Post by eri on Apr 12, 2024 12:56:57 GMT 12
this is exactly the woke argument for everything
seems to be taken from ampway? door to door salesman mantra of the 90s
believe in the product you are selling
gift the opportunity to buy into it to the generally public
don't take it badly when they appear to not want the product you are trying to sell
they just don't realise yet what a great opportunity it is
so keep trying to 'educate' them to its benefits
the product is the product
it can not be changed
but the public's perception of the product can be changed
and that is the job of the salesman
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 13, 2024 14:43:50 GMT 12
These left winger papers can't help themselves. Thursdays' Herald carried the story of the $20K per day MAG looking in to the Cook straight ferries, I was shocked about the daily cost.  Friday's Herald posted a small correction.  So both Georgina Campbell and the editor missed the glaring mistake. |
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Post by harrytom on Apr 13, 2024 17:09:29 GMT 12
These left winger papers can't help themselves. Thursdays' Herald carried the story of the $20K per day MAG looking in to the Cook straight ferries, I was shocked about the daily cost. View AttachmentFriday's Herald posted a small correction. View AttachmentSo both Georgina Campbell and the editor missed the glaring mistake. Glad you posted the bottom figure .That was the figure quoted on Talkback news $2k per day. Cheaper to get new ferries now than in 5yrs. |
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Post by GO30 on Apr 14, 2024 14:01:36 GMT 12
Cheaper to get new ferries now than in 5yrs. Maybe but they would still be the most expensive ferries ever built due to having to take heavy rail which is why they would also be the only ferries being built in the world that can do that,the smart people have realised boats like that are last century thinking.
But again the focus is on the politics not the fact the ferries were so expensive they would never ever turn a profit and would need HUGE taxpayer subsidies for their entire life.
Bluebridge makes enough profit to run it's ferries and is doing so against a subsidised competitor, so it can be done.
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Post by harrytom on Apr 14, 2024 14:25:29 GMT 12
Cheaper to get new ferries now than in 5yrs. Maybe but they would still be the most expensive ferries ever built due to having to take heavy rail which is why they would also be the only ferries being built in the world that can do that,the smart people have realised boats like that are last century thinking.
But again the focus is on the politics not the fact the ferries were so expensive they would never ever turn a profit and would need HUGE taxpayer subsidies for their entire life.
Bluebridge makes enough profit to run it's ferries and is doing so against a subsidised competitor, so it can be done.
What actually crosses the strait via rail? We tried a frozen container once,yes arrived at temp but 5 days when we can load on to a ship and be at chch depot in 3 days cheaper,coastal paicfic I think. |
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Post by Fogg on Apr 15, 2024 18:59:43 GMT 12
The last few days confirms my conviction that NZ media are totally disconnected from reality and therefore irrelevant.
We are on the brink of WW3 - driven out of the Middle East - and yet those despicable NZ rags that call themselves news outlets are totally silent on it. Instead they are obsessed with gang tensions, missing persons and the odd B-list politician.
They’ve made their own (death) bed. Now go lie in it.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 15, 2024 22:38:10 GMT 12
In sleepy little hobbit land this is the news:  Meanwhile, in the real world:  |
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Post by Fogg on Apr 15, 2024 22:42:17 GMT 12
Please, don’t anyone ever use the term “NZ journalist”.
There is no such thing as a journalist in NZ.
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Post by GO30 on Apr 16, 2024 19:42:54 GMT 12
And now one of the organisations the public distrust and are wary of the most, Stuff, have taken on TV3 news.
Hmmm....
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Post by fish on Apr 16, 2024 20:44:51 GMT 12
While I agree with your sentiments, it is also salient to point out that the UK (BBC audience) are actively arming genociders, the BBC audience are paying in pounds for that largese and many will have friends or family in the UK military that are in harms way or actively supporting the genociders to carry out said genocide. The BBC audience supplied the bombs the genociders used to attack Iran, so I suspect they have a far higher interest in the blowback than we do. Meanwhile, in NZ, our biggest concern is if renters can have pets or not. We aren't spending billions of pounds funding a war against Russia or the obliteration of a race of people, and we aren't likely to get immediately sucked into a third European war. Sure, our export markets might get disrupted, but there is zero chance we will have a free fireworks display in our sky curtesy of Russia or Iran, like the UK and Europe. We don't have a dog in that fight, the US and UK are actively propogating and sustaining it so I'd expect it to be a far higher profile in their media. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 16, 2024 20:58:28 GMT 12
Karl du Fresne's piece on the state of the NZ media, does not pull his punches karldufresne.blogspot.com/2024/04/howling-at-moon.htmlopens There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering up advertising revenue that would otherwise go to traditional mainstream media companies.
But while it has been clear for a long time that Lee is out of her depth, she’s not responsible for the media’s collapse and it’s not exactly clear what her media tormentors expect her to do about it. Bail them out with government money, presumably. But the proposition that the government should prop up news media that are openly hostile to it makes about as much sense as Israel providing arms and ammunition to Hamas. In any case, why should the long-suffering taxpayer be made to pay for the media’s manifest failings?
And while it may be true that Facebook and Google have been piggybacking on the mainstream media (although I sometimes wonder whether the damage has been conveniently exaggerated), pointing the finger at them neatly sidesteps the uncomfortable issue of the media’s own contributory fault.
For anyone unable to join the dots, the publication last week of the fifth annual Trust in News survey should help. It showed that New Zealanders’ trust in the reporting of news has continued its headlong downward plunge – from 42 percent in 2023 to an even more dismal 33 percent this year. Significantly, this is a faster decline than recorded by similar surveys in other comparable countries. Even report co-author Merja Myllylahti said she was shocked by the results.
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