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Post by em on Jul 11, 2024 9:42:47 GMT 12
The arse covering liars that tried to bullshit their way out of this should be sacked. Mistakes happen, and when they do, you own them... You mean like, when Kiwirail told the Country, oh and the shareholding Minister, that the boat crashed because of a steering failure, and the unions said Nicola is risking lives by cancelling the replacement of old and unreliable ships. What the unions really meant was their members are risking lives with their blistering incompetence. Kiwirail publicly said it was steering failure- que outrage at old and 'dangerous' ships - unions and political opponents went to town - nekkminnit - crew had turned on AP well before they are allowed to, and complete clusterfuck ensued. Interestingly, it was assumed the AP was renewed 3 weeks before the incident and crew hadn't been trained on it properly. Turns out its the same AP they've had since 2007, so what on earth is going on? The question isn't if head should roll at Kiwirail, the question is how many heads should roll. Given the controversy about cancelling the $3billion of new toys, this lying about the cause of the crash is very significant and very serious. Should also be some scrutiny on the mob that did the install assuming it was done by a private enterprise . If it was done in-house it’s a worry . Reading between the lines it maybe that the drive unit is circa 2007 and they may have got an updated computer and various parties didnt communicate the subtle differences in buttton control . |
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Post by fish on Jul 11, 2024 10:04:08 GMT 12
You mean like, when Kiwirail told the Country, oh and the shareholding Minister, that the boat crashed because of a steering failure, and the unions said Nicola is risking lives by cancelling the replacement of old and unreliable ships. What the unions really meant was their members are risking lives with their blistering incompetence. Kiwirail publicly said it was steering failure- que outrage at old and 'dangerous' ships - unions and political opponents went to town - nekkminnit - crew had turned on AP well before they are allowed to, and complete clusterfuck ensued. Interestingly, it was assumed the AP was renewed 3 weeks before the incident and crew hadn't been trained on it properly. Turns out its the same AP they've had since 2007, so what on earth is going on? The question isn't if head should roll at Kiwirail, the question is how many heads should roll. Given the controversy about cancelling the $3billion of new toys, this lying about the cause of the crash is very significant and very serious. Should also be some scrutiny on the mob that did the install assuming it was done by a private enterprise . If it was done in-house it’s a worry . Reading between the lines it maybe that the drive unit is circa 2007 and they may have got an updated computer and various parties didnt communicate the subtle differences in buttton control . That is an important question. The obvious assumption is the AP was upgraded and the crew weren't trained properly on it's use. But the Interislander CEO guy is on the record saying it is the same AP as 2007, meaning the crew should have known how to use it?!? Comes out this morning that they aren't allowed to engage AP that soon out of the berth, only allowed to use the AP much further down the Sounds. And, Welly Harbour Master (who frequents that other sailing forum) states that having a means of knocking a single button that automatically takes control of the ship is a very bad design, the industry standard is needing to push two buttons - so as to avoid accidental engagement. Sounds logical - basic safety in design. If the CEO is being cute about the AP being from 2007 but the software was upgraded 3 weeks before the grounding, he is going to be in a world of shit, after the first lie. Wonder how long it will take to get the full report. I'll bet a good bottle of whiskey both the unions and KW management will be doing their best to slow it down, after saying Nicola is endangering lives by cancelling the $3billion of new toys. |
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Post by fish on Jul 11, 2024 10:05:42 GMT 12
The upshot of all this, is when the govt buys some new ferries, I honestly hope they are given to Bluebridge to operate and not Kiwirail.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 11, 2024 10:24:02 GMT 12
Agree there fish, haven't used the "interislander" for decades always use BLUEBRIDGE.
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Post by dp on Jul 11, 2024 10:50:54 GMT 12
The auto-pilot probably only has one waypoint, off Wellington Heads. Push the button as you exit Tory Channel not half way down Queen Charlotte.
Welcome to NZ, where they unbolt all the legs of power pylons and don't know how to operate a ferry. Where nothing ever gets done properly.
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Post by fish on Jul 11, 2024 11:23:44 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Jul 11, 2024 11:56:07 GMT 12
the bridge of the ferry aratere always going forward 'cause they can't find reverse headland on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow
it's an autopilot skip, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it
you canna change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3Xt3Yjk14&ab_channel=DemoLynn
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Post by GO30 on Jul 11, 2024 14:17:14 GMT 12
And, Welly Harbour Master (who frequents that other sailing forum) states that having a means of knocking a single button that automatically takes control of the ship is a very bad design, the industry standard is needing to push two buttons - so as to avoid accidental engagement. Sounds logical - basic safety in design. I'm told the cut off for that AP is a single button that has to be held down for5seconds before it operates. That's a good safety angle. Same here Sloop, Bluebridge every time. The 1:30am sailing, arrive at 10:30pm. If you have a cabin booked then straight aboard into your cabin for a snore off, the tannoy wakes you 15min before docking on the other side. No cabin then boarding is later. |
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Post by eri on Jul 11, 2024 18:23:04 GMT 12
after recommendations from the group set up to study the ferry buying debacle
kiwirail are having the ferries taken off them
new entity to run the new ferries
who knew
train bosses
don't understand boats
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Post by harrytom on Jul 11, 2024 18:34:16 GMT 12
Propeller falls off,stabalizer missing,incompetent crew pushing wrng buttons,cant back it to picton if to windy.
And learnt today. Skipper can keep freight onboard if deemed necessary to make return trip as ballast.
Blue bridge successful company,incorperates stait freight. Frieghtlines Otorohanga started the bussiness
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Post by fish on Jul 11, 2024 20:29:10 GMT 12
Propeller falls off,stabalizer missing,incompetent crew pushing wrng buttons,cant back it to picton if to windy. And learnt today. Skipper can keep freight onboard if deemed necessary to make return trip as ballast. Blue bridge successful company,incorperates stait freight. Frieghtlines Otorohanga started the bussiness You forgot that they've never had a preventative maintenance program up until about 9 months ago. Start of the preventative maintenance program happened to coincide with the election - cause they needed politicians, who know zero about boats, to tell them how to maintain the tax payer assets. The root cause of the Kaitaki loosing power with 800 people onboard and drifting uncontrolled towards the rocks on Wellingtons South Coast was the lack of a preventative maintenance program. A $160 rubber expansion joint that was passed it's operational life... |
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Post by eri on Jul 11, 2024 21:56:00 GMT 12
The Interislander safety bulletin showed a crew member prematurely selected a turn that should have taken the boat about a shore point called The Snout. The error sent the boat directly into Titoki Bay - nearly a whole nautical mile ahead of The Snout. John Riding has worked as a Maritime Consultant for nearly 30 years. He said one of the lessons learned when the Aratere nearly ran aground in 2006 was that the ferries should always be under manual control while travelling through the Marlborough Sounds. "To be on autopilot at Mabel Island is crazy and I can't believe for one second that's what Interislander's procedures say," Riding said. "It shouldn't be happening, because Mabel Island is still a hazard, but after that the next hazard - only just around the corner - is at The Snout." www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521901/aratere-ferry-grounding-interislander-hits-back-at-winston-peters-claims |
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Post by GO30 on Jul 12, 2024 11:34:04 GMT 12
If I wanted a new ferry I'd be making sure my old one breaks down a lot. Just sayin  |
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Post by dutyfree on Jul 12, 2024 18:08:03 GMT 12
lol  |
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Post by em on Jul 12, 2024 21:36:14 GMT 12
If I wanted a new ferry I'd be making sure my old one breaks down a lot. Just sayin I take my financial manager racing when a sail is about to fall apart , usually works . |
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