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Post by jim on Aug 26, 2023 11:04:52 GMT 12
That would of been a long fall out of the sky alright - a plane with one wing blown off still trys to fly a bit. the space shuttle challenger would of been another terrifying ride down ...
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Sept 3, 2023 11:20:04 GMT 12
Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 11:20:04 GMT 12
Russia put into service a new ICBM, codenamed SATAN by the West. 200 tonnes, capable of launching 10 tonne warhead, including up to 15 separate nuclear warheads, so they can scatter on re-entry and target multiple cities, making it very complicated to intercept all of them. Silo based, and fast fueling & launch process, so hard to monitor and react pre-launch. Range 18,000km, enough to reach the South Pole apparently... Replaces 1980's era ICBM's. What could possibly go wrong? Just imagine, say, if a private army took out the Russian Army and the control of these things fell to either a madman, or the highest bidder... www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/2/russia-puts-advanced-sarmat-nuclear-missile-system-on-combat-duty |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 3, 2023 12:03:19 GMT 12
So much for the "3 Day Special Military Operation" its gone past 555 days now and no sight of an end.
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Sept 3, 2023 12:04:58 GMT 12
Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 3, 2023 12:04:58 GMT 12
Russia put into service a new ICBM, codenamed SATAN by the West. 200 tonnes, capable of launching 10 tonne warhead, including up to 15 separate nuclear warheads, so they can scatter on re-entry and target multiple cities, making it very complicated to intercept all of them. Silo based, and fast fueling & launch process, so hard to monitor and react pre-launch. Range 18,000km, enough to reach the South Pole apparently... Replaces 1980's era ICBM's. What could possibly go wrong? Just imagine, say, if a private army took out the Russian Army and the control of these things fell to either a madman, or the highest bidder... www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/2/russia-puts-advanced-sarmat-nuclear-missile-system-on-combat-dutyIs that one they used on the moon?  ? |
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Post by em on Sept 3, 2023 13:12:18 GMT 12
Russia put into service a new ICBM, codenamed SATAN by the West. 200 tonnes, capable of launching 10 tonne warhead, including up to 15 separate nuclear warheads, so they can scatter on re-entry and target multiple cities, making it very complicated to intercept all of them. Silo based, and fast fueling & launch process, so hard to monitor and react pre-launch. Range 18,000km, enough to reach the South Pole apparently... Replaces 1980's era ICBM's. What could possibly go wrong? Just imagine, say, if a private army took out the Russian Army and the control of these things fell to either a madman, or the highest bidder... www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/2/russia-puts-advanced-sarmat-nuclear-missile-system-on-combat-dutyYou would hope that it would only take someone to walk funny near that Installation and NATO would respond . You can bet they have 24/7 Intel , SIGINT etc monitoring all the known kit that possibly works . Apprently their maintenance of Nukes is crap to non existent . Those things need the unobtainium changed every couple of years so that they go bang at the right time and the guidance systems need checking etc . Most of the people with that level of intelligence needed have got the hell out of dodge awhile ago . |
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2023 13:25:10 GMT 12
Russia put into service a new ICBM, codenamed SATAN by the West. 200 tonnes, capable of launching 10 tonne warhead, including up to 15 separate nuclear warheads, so they can scatter on re-entry and target multiple cities, making it very complicated to intercept all of them. Silo based, and fast fueling & launch process, so hard to monitor and react pre-launch. Range 18,000km, enough to reach the South Pole apparently... Replaces 1980's era ICBM's. What could possibly go wrong? Just imagine, say, if a private army took out the Russian Army and the control of these things fell to either a madman, or the highest bidder... www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/2/russia-puts-advanced-sarmat-nuclear-missile-system-on-combat-dutyIs that one they used on the moon? ? If you were Russian, it wouldn't really inspire confidence that it will work when you need it to. I'm not across any techo details, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were the same launch rocket. If you were going to go to all that effort to design, build, test and commission a 200 tonne rocket, why not go for some good PR and send it too the moon while you are at it? PS, imagine the poor guys in NATO who's job it is to monitor these ICBM silos? It would be as boring as fuck for decades, then in a split second it could be as exciting, stressful and globally as important as anything. Wonder if they are allowed to listen to that 80's song by Nina, 99 Luftballoons. |
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Post by eri on Sept 3, 2023 13:32:20 GMT 12
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Post by jim on Sept 14, 2024 21:34:32 GMT 12
A year on and its business as usual in the ukraine except there is a desire to send long range (western supplied) missiles deep into Russia... I'm not so sure about that idea - there could be flow-on effects www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvdyd4nnzro |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 15, 2024 4:27:48 GMT 12
A year on and its business as usual in the ukraine except there is a desire to send long range (western supplied) missiles deep into Russia... I'm not so sure about that idea - there could be flow-on effects www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvdyd4nnzroUN supplied but havent the go ahead to use them,could reach 300 miles in to russia,not a good idea at all. Brings me to Israel/Palastine. Israeli Jews were hunted/persued by Germans in ww2 with intension to wipe out Jews. Is this any different to wiping out Palstines in the hunt for Hamas? |
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Sept 16, 2024 14:41:36 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Sept 16, 2024 14:41:36 GMT 12
A year on and its business as usual in the ukraine except there is a desire to send long range (western supplied) missiles deep into Russia... I'm not so sure about that idea - there could be flow-on effects www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvdyd4nnzroUN supplied but havent the go ahead to use them,could reach 300 miles in to russia,not a good idea at all. There's been quite a bit over the last week 10days that suggest the US is toying with the idea of letting the Ukraine fire deeper into Russia. Judging by comments out of Moscow, some attributed to Putin, strongly suggest they think there is something too those stories. |
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Sept 16, 2024 16:12:32 GMT 12
Post by fish on Sept 16, 2024 16:12:32 GMT 12
Here's the thing though,
If the west suddenly decided to allow Ukraine to hit Russia's glide bomb / airforce bases with western weapons, do you think they'd tell Russia first?
So all this carry on in the media is just a charade. They may already be doing it.
If it were to happen, Sleepy Joe would give Volodymyer (Zelensky) the go ahead, but he isn't going to (shouldn't) tell the media, or Vlad (Putin). They'd just have to work it out when their shit starts blowing up. But at the least there could be some plausible deniability. Just say that Volod and his mates have worked out how to build this stuff themselves... Paint out any US markings / serial numbers, hell, even but some Iranian markings on them for shits and giggles.
Tactically, I don't think the West are really bothered if Ukraine wins. If both sides are bogged down in a decades long conflict, it is no bother to the west. This contains Russia, that is all the West need. Provided Ukraine doesn't actually loose. There is no motivation to actually beat Russia. Conversely, there is huge risk in trying to beat Russia militarily. They have nukes. They have lots of conventional weapons, and their evil dictator has no political exit strategy. So trying to actually beat Russia has huge downside risk.
Now, look at what happened to the great USSR when it invaded Afghanistan. Ten years later the USSR went bankrupt and collapsed. It is possible for the West to beat Russia economically. They just need a war to drag on and on and on and on, while Russia spends increasing proportions of its GDP trying to win.
Oh, and if the war drags on for ever, the American Industrial Military complex just makes more and more money. And the German, French and British industrial military complexes. They all have a nice wee earner in arms, tanks and missile production...
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Post by Cantab on Sept 17, 2024 7:23:11 GMT 12
This might help make it make sense  |
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Sept 18, 2024 18:45:25 GMT 12
Post by harrytom on Sept 18, 2024 18:45:25 GMT 12
Hmm Israel not looking good now with the tampering of pager devices. For a Nation/religion that was gifted land after their persecution .One must wonder are the "Jews" a peaceful religion.
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ukraine
Sept 26, 2024 20:19:44 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Sept 26, 2024 20:19:44 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Sept 26, 2024 20:53:32 GMT 12
It is also telling that the most exciting thing to be reported coming out of the UN General Assemble is a grump old man being grumpy. There is just so much nonsense and duplicity. Apparently France and the US are calling for Israel to stop bombing the fuck out of Lebanon. Accept the US have given $21billion in bombs in the last 11 months... US arms companies are making a lot of money out of Israel. Perhaps if these countries want the bombing to stop, they should stop sending bombs? |
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