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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 30, 2022 7:22:49 GMT 12
The way I heard it they were heading to an anchorage near that Island for the night and were going to fish back to Manganui the next day. Protect Lance ? I didn't get that impression at all. If 5 friends have died protecting anyone for that is extremely unlikely. But I expect the system to try and hang him out to dry. You know how it goes. Lifejackets fines loss of ticket etc. Die in a car crash is OK but not in an airplane or boat. Go figure
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Post by GO30 on Oct 1, 2022 8:35:00 GMT 12
The stories and theories as to what happened on the Enchanter are as wild and varied as the history of the Bermuda Triangle. No two groups I've been around over the last wee while are on the same page as to what happened, yet they all know what some confidence exactly did happen. I have come to the inescapable conclusion based on all of the above people, this forum included, there has to have been at least 6 Enchanters involved in that incident  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 18:21:41 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Mar 13, 2023 18:39:54 GMT 12
The charge is "Breaching the Workplace Safety Act" for a PCBU and an individual. Plus one mystery charge from MNZ. The thing that really bugs me about these charges (generally, not just in this case) is that if someone has died, you are assured of a conviction under the HSE act. They don't appear to actually investigate what happened, other than that someone died, and who the person in charge was. They don't appear to assess if the person in charge took reasonable measures, was doing a good job, or was just a cowboy. It is fully "dead person = conviction". The process adds no value and gives no insight into what went wrong, why, and how to avoid it again in the future. It wouldn't surprise me if the MNZ charge is to do with the wrong antifoul or an out of date packet of rice in the emergency rations, and nothing to do with the boat rolling, the cabin coming off and 5 people dieing. Noting that the Enchanter Skipper is going hard with more fishing charters, doing the exact same thing. Loads of posts / photos on SM. One made me laugh, a guy had a PLB strapped to his arm, holding some monster kingi... His missus was clearly uncomfortable with him doing the trip with that skipper... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 18:48:29 GMT 12
The charge is "Breaching the Workplace Safety Act" for a PCBU and an individual. Plus one mystery charge from MNZ. The thing that really bugs me about these charges (generally, not just in this case) is that if someone has died, you are assured of a conviction under the HSE act. They don't appear to actually investigate what happened, other than that someone died, and who the person in charge was. They don't appear to assess if the person in charge took reasonable measures, was doing a good job, or was just a cowboy. It is fully "dead person = conviction". The process adds no value and gives no insight into what went wrong, why, and how to avoid it again in the future. It wouldn't surprise me if the MNZ charge is to do with the wrong antifoul or an out of date packet of rice in the emergency rations, and nothing to do with the boat rolling, the cabin coming off and 5 people dieing. Noting that the Enchanter Skipper is going hard with more fishing charters, doing the exact same thing. Loads of posts / photos on SM. One made me laugh, a guy had a PLB strapped to his arm, holding some monster kingi... His missus was clearly uncomfortable with him doing the trip with that skipper... Bit of a slap in the face for families who lost loved ones for the skipper to get a new vessel and carry on. I would thought MNZ would of cancelled his ticket pending investigations. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 13, 2023 19:18:12 GMT 12
The company is charged under S 67b of the maritime act:
Subject to an exemption given under section 40AA, every person commits an offence who—
(a) operates a ship without the prescribed number of seafarers or qualified personnel:
(b) operates a ship outside its prescribed operating limits:
(c). knowingly breaches any requirement specified in this Act or in regulations or rules made under this Act for the carriage of dangerous goods.
Worst case it gets fined.
And also the company will be charged under s48 if the H&S Act again worst case is a fine.
Lance Goodhew is also and only is charged under s48 of the H&S act.
A person commits an offence against this section if—
(a) the person has a duty under subpart 2 or 3; and
(b) the person fails to comply with that duty; and
(c) that failure exposes any individual to a risk of death or serious injury or serious illness.
A person who commits an offence against subsection (1) is liable on conviction,—
(a) for an individual who is not a PCBU or an officer of a PCBU, to a fine not exceeding $150,000:
(b) for an individual who is a PCBU or an officer of a PCBU, to a fine not exceeding $300,000:
(c) for any other person, to a fine not exceeding $1.5 million.
Worst case he personally gets a fine. Whipty do dah.
Five people died on his watch and he's out there within a month doing the same thing. I would of been finding a new career.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 13, 2023 19:52:01 GMT 12
I have just reread this article: www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deadly-wave-the-storm-over-the-enchanter-skippers-new-venture/WW3GW54Q6GE2ZN5U4KH7YCQIB4/Lance's behavior during the fishing expedition was nothing short of reckless and irresponsible. As the skipper, he was entrusted with the safety of his crew, and he failed miserably in that responsibility. Firstly, Lance's decision to sail in dangerous weather conditions was a clear indication of his lack of judgment. Despite the warnings from the coastguard and his crew's concerns, he insisted on continuing with the expedition, putting everyone's lives at risk. Secondly, Lance's lack of communication and leadership skills during the crisis situation when the boat was sinking was alarming. Instead of calmly directing the crew on what to do, he panicked, causing chaos and confusion. It was only through the quick thinking and bravery of the crew that they were able to escape the sinking boat. In conclusion, based on Lance's behavior during the recent fishing trip, it is clear that he should not be allowed to skipper another boat. His reckless behavior, lack of judgment, poor communication and leadership skills, make him a danger to himself and others. It is imperative that appropriate action is taken to prevent Lance from putting others' lives at risk in the future. But as has been pointed out, it is unlikely that will happen. |
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Post by fish on Mar 13, 2023 20:09:12 GMT 12
I have just reread this article: www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deadly-wave-the-storm-over-the-enchanter-skippers-new-venture/WW3GW54Q6GE2ZN5U4KH7YCQIB4/Lance's behavior during the fishing expedition was nothing short of reckless and irresponsible. As the skipper, he was entrusted with the safety of his crew, and he failed miserably in that responsibility. Firstly, Lance's decision to sail in dangerous weather conditions was a clear indication of his lack of judgment. Despite the warnings from the coastguard and his crew's concerns, he insisted on continuing with the expedition, putting everyone's lives at risk. Secondly, Lance's behavior towards his crew was deplorable. He constantly belittled and berated them, creating a hostile and stressful environment on board. This is not only unacceptable but also detrimental to the mental and emotional well-being of the crew. Thirdly, Lance's lack of communication and leadership skills during the crisis situation when the boat was sinking was alarming. Instead of calmly directing the crew on what to do, he panicked, causing chaos and confusion. It was only through the quick thinking and bravery of the crew that they were able to escape the sinking boat. In conclusion, based on Lance's behavior during the recent sailing expedition, it is clear that he should not be allowed to skipper another boat. His reckless behavior, lack of judgment, poor communication and leadership skills, and mistreatment of his crew make him a danger to himself and others. It is imperative that appropriate action is taken to prevent Lance from putting others' lives at risk in the future. But as has been pointed out, it is unlikely that will happen. You aren't spreading rumours and unsubstantiated character assassination here are you? Had a pop at everyone talking about Scott Watson, now doing it yourself? Where are you getting this abuse of the crew stuff from? |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 13, 2023 20:58:22 GMT 12
I have just reread this article: www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deadly-wave-the-storm-over-the-enchanter-skippers-new-venture/WW3GW54Q6GE2ZN5U4KH7YCQIB4/Lance's behavior during the fishing expedition was nothing short of reckless and irresponsible. As the skipper, he was entrusted with the safety of his crew, and he failed miserably in that responsibility. Firstly, Lance's decision to sail in dangerous weather conditions was a clear indication of his lack of judgment. Despite the warnings from the coastguard and his crew's concerns, he insisted on continuing with the expedition, putting everyone's lives at risk. Secondly, Lance's behavior towards his crew was deplorable. He constantly belittled and berated them, creating a hostile and stressful environment on board. This is not only unacceptable but also detrimental to the mental and emotional well-being of the crew. Thirdly, Lance's lack of communication and leadership skills during the crisis situation when the boat was sinking was alarming. Instead of calmly directing the crew on what to do, he panicked, causing chaos and confusion. It was only through the quick thinking and bravery of the crew that they were able to escape the sinking boat. In conclusion, based on Lance's behavior during the recent sailing expedition, it is clear that he should not be allowed to skipper another boat. His reckless behavior, lack of judgment, poor communication and leadership skills, and mistreatment of his crew make him a danger to himself and others. It is imperative that appropriate action is taken to prevent Lance from putting others' lives at risk in the future. But as has been pointed out, it is unlikely that will happen. You aren't spreading rumours and unsubstantiated character assassination here are you? Had a pop at everyone talking about Scott Watson, now doing it yourself? Where are you getting this abuse of the crew stuff from? By the time I wrote the above I had read multiple newspaper articles. I am exceptionally sure that I read somewhere that Lance belittled and yelled at his crew. I now cannot find any reference to that even after retracing my reading history. While I diffinitely didn't make it up intentionally and I certainly wasn't adding it as an Easter Egg for someone to find, I cannot find any evidence to back it up. I must say that I am stumped as to it's original origin. I must therefore withdraw my assertion that he belittled and berated his crew. Please accept my apologies and thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will update my original post. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 13, 2023 21:18:03 GMT 12
After reviewing all of the articles, I have found the comment from an ex-crew member claiming the ill-treatment. I now consider it to be opinion of a disgruntled employee and untrustworthy.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 14, 2023 7:21:57 GMT 12
And postings like that are trial by media where you can write what you like ,without consequence and it can quickly become fact. Notwithstanding your apology, shame on you . The damage has been done. This sort of thing is the new way and is possibly a significant reason for the disintegration of society. IMO social media ,blogsites and websites like this provide a bigger menace to humanity than a nuclear war
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 8:39:07 GMT 12
One would have to question Lance's behavior to carry on.When comm fishing vessels either stayed in port or at the king's.Do not Lance but appears to be a Cavalier attitude adopted.
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Post by fish on Mar 14, 2023 10:34:18 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 14, 2023 11:48:57 GMT 12
And postings like that are trial by media where you can write what you like ,without consequence and it can quickly become fact. Notwithstanding your apology, shame on you . The damage has been done. This sort of thing is the new way and is possibly a significant reason for the disintegration of society. IMO social media ,blogsites and websites like this provide a bigger menace to humanity than a nuclear war Oh hell Yes, 100% So much 'fact' these days can be tracked back to one comment, accurate or often not, that's been amplified by social media then the media. |
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2023 16:30:53 GMT 12
First Court session today. Skipper excused from appearing, cause he is out running another charter. As expected, he's not been charged with anything to do with causing the sinking. He's been charged with not having a current first aid certificate. Fucking Joke. His business, which trades as Enchanter Charters Ltd, is charged with operating a ship without the prescribed qualified personnel. It alleged Goodhew did not have a medical certificate at the time of the incident. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487876/enchanter-tragedy-skipper-faces-charges-relating-to-the-deaths-of-five-men |
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