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Post by GO30 on Dec 22, 2022 14:05:14 GMT 12
Speaking of EV's, was talking to a tradie type the other day. Does window furnsishings. Is trading in his late model diesel ford van for a VW PHEV van. Doesn't give a fuck about the climate of fuel consumption. At 20,000km / yr, he's worked out he can save $40k on road user charges over the life of the van. I hope he doesn't do the business accounts. He's planning on keeping it for 900,000km, that's seriously optimistic and lacks sense on many levels ...... but then he is a EV owner and they do maths in a very special manner not taught in schools  |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 23, 2022 9:14:55 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Dec 24, 2022 9:26:53 GMT 12
OK go the ute thing continues.
On sussing an aspect mentioned in dispatches I've noticed the lectric utes range that was published as 360km a month ago in now published at 325km. This is the ute the saleman have been driving around a flat Christchurch and getting 260-270km in range.
But on comparing it to my Angry Obese Unicorn that currently identifies as a Rhino, I see the ICE has more power than the lectric, not much but there 130 plays 134KW. I also see the ICE has more torque then the lectric, 310kN plays 420kN for the ICE. The lectric is also a lot heavier. Towing with the ICE 3500kg braked, with the Lectric 1500kg braked. And if you do tow anything the chances are most drivers will be breaching their licence conditions, think all up weight.
Weight aside I thought the marketing was telling us lectric have far more balls when in fact it's performance figures are a tad shit and this is a very head to head comparison as the only real difference between the 2 utes is the power unit.
So to buy the electric over the ICE you get less performance, less range, add to nasty in the environment and for that pleasure pay 225% more for it?
Basically the only people who will buy that don't need a ute or to tow anything more than they need to get their virtue signalling up to extreme levels.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 24, 2022 10:24:49 GMT 12
Towing with the ICE 3500kg braked, with the Lectric 1500kg braked. And if you do tow anything the chances are most drivers will be breaching their licence conditions, think all up weight. Nope. Most drivers will be just fine. Total combined weight for a NZ full car drivers license is 6000kg. More likely to breach your licence conditions with the ICE given it probably has gross of 2500kg. |
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Post by GO30 on Dec 25, 2022 16:29:43 GMT 12
They must have changed the limits lately or probably forced to with the growth of big fuck off wagons towing 7-9m boats. The plods set up outside OBC before covid to educate drivers they were exceeding thier licences limits.
Engineers worldwide have been issuing warnings about bridges, roads, car parks etc. being at increased to highly increase chances of failure due to the far higher weight of EV over ICE.
The EV version of my ICE is around 400kg heavier and has a lower payload plus massively lower towing load. Them battiers are fecking heavy where my energy storage weighs 56kg maximum. The big EVs are over 1000.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 25, 2022 16:47:45 GMT 12
They must have changed the limits lately or probably forced to with the growth of big fuck off wagons towing 7-9m boats. The plods set up outside OBC before covid to educate drivers they were exceeding thier licences limits. Engineers worldwide have been issuing warnings about bridges, roads, car parks etc. being at increased to highly increase chances of failure due to the far higher weight of EV over ICE. The EV version of my ICE is around 400kg heavier and has a lower payload plus massively lower towing load. Them battiers are fecking heavy where my energy storage weighs 56kg maximum. The big EVs are over 1000. Yeah. I am pretty sure when I got my licence the limit was 3500kg... Long time ago now... Those EV's are heavy gonna be interesting to see how that flows into ruc's or if it does. |
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Post by GO30 on Dec 25, 2022 16:58:11 GMT 12
Me too. I had to load 1/2 pallet of concrete on the back of the Canter to get it up to weight. During one new lifetime licence change they gave me all HT licences so I can drive the biggest on the roads and with trailer, not that I have or have done bugger all above 12t there abouts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 4:37:49 GMT 12
car licence covers combined weight up to 6000kg but if were towing that combination in a paid employment you then need a class 2 licence
have gone from maximum width 2.4m to 2.55m
Car/trailer combine weight 6000kg or less needs a wof but if you have a motorhome 3500kg or over you then need a cof ,confused
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 26, 2022 7:19:05 GMT 12
Plus the heady days of EV being given chosen few status are coming to an end. RU charges are around the corner along with electricity shortages when droughts hit again and my take is that within 5 years EV's will be on a level with everything else
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Post by GO30 on Dec 26, 2022 8:22:08 GMT 12
car licence covers combined weight up to 6000kg but if were towing that combination in a paid employment you then need a class 2 licence have gone from maximum width 2.4m to 2.55m Car/trailer combine weight 6000kg or less needs a wof but if you have a motorhome 3500kg or over you then need a cof ,confused Ya whot? A private random with low, if any skills, and marginal experience can do 6t but a professional can't? Why doesn't that fucked up logic surprise me these days.
We often get a little freaked at how little, if even at all, people consider the effects while driving after we have loaded 250kg of chain in to their boot. I made the lads mention to every driver now 'Do be aware your cars performance especially breaking will change with all that in the boot'. At times all the response is crickets.
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Dec 27, 2022 8:12:11 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 10:46:22 GMT 12
have you seen it up close and personnel?? I have and wouldn't feel comfortable with 5 bombs at the back of cab . |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 27, 2022 11:26:20 GMT 12
When you say "here" you mean "here, but not available for purchase" - unless you are part of a special trial group where you get the vehicle for free.
FCEV has a good future, but it is a long long way away, because, there's no infrastructure in NZ, or, more importantly, anywhere in the world for, Hydrogen (FCEV) to get the traction it needs.
Production and distribution require major investments in infrastructure. NZ plans to have 4 stations in the North Island by mid to late 2023.
FCEV are going to remain in the realm of the transportation sector for a very long time. The trucks which fill up in Auckland and drive to Wellington, where they can fill up again. Or buses, or planes, or trains, but not domestic consumer cars which will need to leave the Hydrogen network by 100's of Ks.
The fact that Hydrogen is an incredibly inefficient way to store energy and the reality that we will have no consumer grade distribution network for a very very long time will hold FCEV's back. In the meantime battery tech is jumping ahead in leaps and bounds. And of course we already have a power distribution network.
Also, lets not forget the key drawback of hydrogen for domestic use, park your car for a week with a full tank of hydrogen, come back and find that 1/3rd of it has escaped out of the tank. Or worse still, park your car on near empty, come back and find it has all gone and it's 50km to the nearest H2 station.
And of course H2 contributes to the climate-change problem when it is just willy-nilly allowed to leak into the atmosphere.
FCEV's are good, but not the silver bullet some people think they are.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 27, 2022 11:35:22 GMT 12
When the first cars were sold you had to have someone walking ahead waving a flag / lantern. Hydrogen is that modern day equivalent. 5/10 years you won't be able to give an EV away. Over the past 60 yrs plenty of inventors have produced hydrogen cars....some disappeared for their ingenuity.
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Dec 27, 2022 12:06:10 GMT 12
When you say "here" you mean "here, but not available for purchase" - unless you are part of a special trial group where you get the vehicle for free. FCEV has a good future, but it is a long long way away, because, there's no infrastructure in NZ, or, more importantly, anywhere in the world for, Hydrogen (FCEV) to get the traction it needs. Production and distribution require major investments in infrastructure. NZ plans to have 4 stations in the North Island by mid to late 2023. FCEV are going to remain in the realm of the transportation sector for a very long time. The trucks which fill up in Auckland and drive to Wellington, where they can fill up again. Or buses, or planes, or trains, but not domestic consumer cars which will need to leave the Hydrogen network by 100's of Ks. The fact that Hydrogen is an incredibly inefficient way to store energy and the reality that we will have no consumer grade distribution network for a very very long time will hold FCEV's back. In the meantime battery tech is jumping ahead in leaps and bounds. And of course we already have a power distribution network. Also, lets not forget the key drawback of hydrogen for domestic use, park your car for a week with a full tank of hydrogen, come back and find that 1/3rd of it has escaped out of the tank. Or worse still, park your car on near empty, come back and find it has all gone and it's 50km to the nearest H2 station. And of course H2 contributes to the climate-change problem when it is just willy-nilly allowed to leak into the atmosphere. FCEV's are good, but not the silver bullet some people think they are. get with the times. New tech, no leaks, safer than a lithium battery |
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