|
|
Post by ComfortZone on Jan 19, 2023 7:47:53 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 14, 2023 17:50:00 GMT 12
Hey, did you hear about Auckland Council's new ride? They just bought 45 electric MG ZS SUVs to replace their old gas guzzlers. The council didn't say how much they spent, but the MGs retail at $49,900 each and get an $8,625 discount for being a clean car. They're keeping two hybrid cars for long trips, but the rest of the fleet is all electric now. The council's GM of corporate support services, Robert Irvine, said they tested four different EVs and the MG ZS was the cheapest and most popular among drivers. Not bad, huh?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:24:57 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
EV farce
Mar 14, 2023 18:48:14 GMT 12
via mobile
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 14, 2023 18:48:14 GMT 12
That's the petrol version. MG ZS EV |
|
|
|
Post by fish on Mar 14, 2023 20:47:32 GMT 12
My Brother in Law got one of those. I think he got 7 years of servicing free in the purchase price, incl warranty. We were trying to give him a hard time on not getting an EV (he doesn't give a fuck unless it has boobs or booze) but the economics simply weren't there. He doesn't do enough km's to recover the additional capital of an EV. There is great irony there. You basically have to do the same commute to work 5 days / week to get the pay-back on an EV. If you work from home, you don't get the EV payback. But if you work from home, you don't burn any petrol, or Indo coal, so who gives a fuck what you drive if you simply don't drive? You can replace the entire EV arguement with fibre broadband... Or, work local. This commuting thing is for schleps. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
EV farce
Mar 15, 2023 3:25:04 GMT 12
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 3:25:04 GMT 12
Did I hear correctly that Hippy has wiped the clean car rebate or going to wipe it??
|
|
|
|
Post by fish on Mar 15, 2023 10:57:30 GMT 12
Did I hear correctly that Hippy has wiped the clean car rebate or going to wipe it?? I've not heard that. Dropping the Ute tax would be significant, esp considering its only really just come in. He did drop the cash for clunkers scheme ($600mil) where he pays for poor families to by EV's... He said "it wasn't a very effective policy", well, why the fuck did his team put it in then? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 11:45:54 GMT 12
Did I hear correctly that Hippy has wiped the clean car rebate or going to wipe it?? I've not heard that. Dropping the Ute tax would be significant, esp considering its only really just come in. He did drop the cash for clunkers scheme ($600mil) where he pays for poor families to by EV's... He said "it wasn't a very effective policy", well, why the fuck did his team put it in then? Clean car upgrade scrapped: A scheme which gives people a grant for a cleaner vehicle or a public transport subsidy if they scrap an old gas-guzzler is being stopped. Expected to save $568m. Social leasing car scheme ended: A car leasing arrangement for families on low incomes. It was proving difficult to implement and many of the areas where it was trialled were affected by recent severe weather. Expected to save $19m. |
|
|
|
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 15, 2023 12:04:26 GMT 12
That's the upgrade being scrapped. Not the rebate.
They had proposed a one-off payout for people to scrap/destroy their old inefficient Gas guzzler and replace it with an EV. That is being scrapped.
The rebate remains.
|
|
|
|
Post by ComfortZone on Mar 16, 2023 19:19:12 GMT 12
some points to consider about Lithium Batteries both in cars and house hold systems (you need to skip past his endorsement spruiking stuff in the first couple of minutes)
|
|
|
|
Post by GO30 on Mar 16, 2023 21:21:28 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 16, 2023 21:37:36 GMT 12
While clearly written by an organization/person who has absolutely zero idea about chemistry so much so as to effectively contradict themselves by permitting the very battery they have banned, this is a good decision! LIPO should be made illegal. It's one the most dangerous battery chemistries available and is certainly the most dangerous Lithium chemistry available. The problem we have here is the manufactures desire to balance safety with weight and size. When something goes wrong, eg a collision or a faulty circuit board, there is no amount of safety that will get you out of the disaster that is a Lithium Polymer thermal runaway event. |
|
|
|
Post by GO30 on Mar 17, 2023 14:07:44 GMT 12
The problem we have here is the manufactures desire to balance safety with weight and size. Disagree, the problem we have is the rush to get market without adequate testing.
I see it a lot and it's becoming far too common. It even happens with the most basic stuff.
Hell, if you have a great lobbyists and enough coin you can even get Governments to push it out there for you, just ask Phizzer.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2023 15:36:19 GMT 12
While clearly written by an organization/person who has absolutely zero idea about chemistry so much so as to effectively contradict themselves by permitting the very battery they have banned, this is a good decision! LIPO should be made illegal. It's one the most dangerous battery chemistries available and is certainly the most dangerous Lithium chemistry available. The problem we have here is the manufactures desire to balance safety with weight and size. When something goes wrong, eg a collision or a faulty circuit board, there is no amount of safety that will get you out of the disaster that is a Lithium Polymer thermal runaway event. Ban empty fuel tankers,biggest bomb on 18 wheels,no issue when full. Fuel doesnt explode,fumes do And you think hydrogen is safe?? |
|
|
|
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 17, 2023 17:20:14 GMT 12
The problem we have here is the manufactures desire to balance safety with weight and size. Disagree, the problem we have is the rush to get market without adequate testing.
I see it a lot and it's becoming far too common. It even happens with the most basic stuff.
Hell, if you have a great lobbyists and enough coin you can even get Governments to push it out there for you, just ask Phizzer.
Wrong. LiPO isn't safe under compression or fracture conditions. You can wrap all the technological controls around it that you want, if there is an accident which results in a compression or fracture of a cell then that physical damage will likely result a thermal runaway. Even a vehicles travelling at speed that have come to sudden and immediate stops, (think running into a truck or a brick wall at 100km/h), where there is no actual damage to the outside of the physical cell, have suffered thermal runaway when the the cells compress and fracture internally due to the transfer of kinetic energy. LiPO is an unsafe chemistry and should only be used in static installations, the irony is that static installations can be built for considerably cheaper with larger non LiPO cells, eg LiFePO4, so that negates the need for LiPO in the first place. |
|
