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Post by fish on Mar 17, 2023 20:45:53 GMT 12
Disagree, the problem we have is the rush to get market without adequate testing.
I see it a lot and it's becoming far too common. It even happens with the most basic stuff.
Hell, if you have a great lobbyists and enough coin you can even get Governments to push it out there for you, just ask Phizzer.
Wrong. LiPO isn't safe under compression or fracture conditions. You can wrap all the technological controls around it that you want, if there is an accident which results in a compression or fracture of a cell then that physical damage will likely result a thermal runaway. Even a vehicles travelling at speed that have come to sudden and immediate stops, (think running into a truck or a brick wall at 100km/h), where there is no actual damage to the outside of the physical cell, have suffered thermal runaway when the the cells compress and fracture internally due to the transfer of kinetic energy. LiPO is an unsafe chemistry and should only be used in static installations, the irony is that static installations can be built for considerably cheaper with larger non LiPO cells, eg LiFePO4, so that negates the need for LiPO in the first place. Ahhh, so this is why the govt are so hell bent on reducing speed limits friggin everywhere. Its not about safety at all. Its to stop all the new EV's they've been subsidising getting into thermal run away every time there is a minor nose to tail. Imagine taxing utes and doing a $600mil cash for clunkers scheme, so poor families can by posh EV's, and as soon as you have a minor prang, causing a compression or fracture of the battery, BOOM! Thermal run away. Would explain why car wreckers yards are starting to have more massive fires. The ones that are uncontrolable and cause whole suburbs to be evacuated. |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 18, 2023 11:55:36 GMT 12
Disagree, the problem we have is the rush to get market without adequate testing.
I see it a lot and it's becoming far too common. It even happens with the most basic stuff.
Hell, if you have a great lobbyists and enough coin you can even get Governments to push it out there for you, just ask Phizzer.
Wrong. You're saying the manufacturers and in many cases the assorted Govt and other authorities intentionally allowed very dangerous products into the market place knowing full well they can, do and have killed? Thats a shit loads of damn cunning total arseholes, so cunning not one has outed all the rest, you have created. |
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Mar 18, 2023 12:14:49 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 18, 2023 12:14:49 GMT 12
Wrong. LiPO isn't safe under compression or fracture conditions. You can wrap all the technological controls around it that you want, if there is an accident which results in a compression or fracture of a cell then that physical damage will likely result a thermal runaway. Even a vehicles travelling at speed that have come to sudden and immediate stops, (think running into a truck or a brick wall at 100km/h), where there is no actual damage to the outside of the physical cell, have suffered thermal runaway when the the cells compress and fracture internally due to the transfer of kinetic energy. LiPO is an unsafe chemistry and should only be used in static installations, the irony is that static installations can be built for considerably cheaper with larger non LiPO cells, eg LiFePO4, so that negates the need for LiPO in the first place. Ahhh, so this is why the govt are so hell bent on reducing speed limits friggin everywhere. Its not about safety at all. Its to stop all the new EV's they've been subsidising getting into thermal run away every time there is a minor nose to tail. Imagine taxing utes and doing a $600mil cash for clunkers scheme, so poor families can by posh EV's, and as soon as you have a minor prang, causing a compression or fracture of the battery, BOOM! Thermal run away. Would explain why car wreckers yards are starting to have more massive fires. The ones that are uncontrolable and cause whole suburbs to be evacuated. Most EV's don't have LiPo batteries. LiPO is found in phones, performance race bikes and scooters. Think ultra lightweight small things wanting to pack as much energy as poss into a small space. |
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Mar 18, 2023 12:23:49 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 18, 2023 12:23:49 GMT 12
You're saying the manufacturers and in many cases the assorted Govt and other authorities intentionally allowed very dangerous products into the market place knowing full well they can, do and have killed? Thats a shit loads of damn cunning total arseholes, so cunning not one has outed all the rest, you have created. Yep. Just like asbestos, tobacco and those crap Chinese uwmphe ropes which people rely on to protect them from a fall. |
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Mar 18, 2023 13:42:54 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 18, 2023 13:42:54 GMT 12
You're saying the manufacturers and in many cases the assorted Govt and other authorities intentionally allowed very dangerous products into the market place knowing full well they can, do and have killed? Thats a shit loads of damn cunning total arseholes, so cunning not one has outed all the rest, you have created. Yep. Just like asbestos, tobacco and those crap Chinese uwmphe ropes which people rely on to protect them from a fall. Yes I see your point and there's some validity to it but one could akso argue if those products were properly tested first would they have gone to market. There is also the technology angle, back in the day there wasn’t the technologies we have today, some of which can be and are used in accelerated testing programs. We have some chinese umpy we supply to many inc some Tugs. But its been well tested by a 3rd party before we'll touch it. But we have seen a lot fail test and know some of that is in NZ. The 4x4 market has lots, much coming in via Aussie. |
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Mar 18, 2023 13:54:49 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 18, 2023 13:54:49 GMT 12
Yep. Just like asbestos, tobacco and those crap Chinese uwmphe ropes which people rely on to protect them from a fall. Yes I see your point and there's some validity to it but one could akso argue if those products were properly tested first would they have gone to market. There is also the technology angle, back in the day there wasn’t the technologies we have today, some of which can be and are used in accelerated testing programs. We have some chinese umpy we supply to many inc some Tugs. But its been well tested by a 3rd party before we'll touch it. But we have seen a lot fail test and know some of that is in NZ. The 4x4 market has lots, much coming in via Aussie. There's always going to be a balance between cost and safety. And by cost I don't just mean $$. If speed cameras save lives why don't we have one every 200m? Because of the $$ cost. If speed kills why isn't every car forced to have an automatic GPS speed limiter that automatically kicks in? Because of the privacy cost. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 18, 2023 17:22:21 GMT 12
Another thing that's super dangerous and isn't banned is petrol... www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/300833547/one-dead-in-horrible-car-fire-in-downtown-aucklandThis post isn't intended to fan the flames of EV vs petrol... Just carrying on the theme of known dangerous things we have around us all the time. It's possible even probable this was a suicide. If it was then it won't be reported as one. If it wasn't, then the petroleum mis-information cartel have done one hell of a job. |
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Mar 18, 2023 17:32:14 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 18, 2023 17:32:14 GMT 12
Yes I see your point and there's some validity to it but one could akso argue if those products were properly tested first would they have gone to market. There is also the technology angle, back in the day there wasn’t the technologies we have today, some of which can be and are used in accelerated testing programs. We have some chinese umpy we supply to many inc some Tugs. But its been well tested by a 3rd party before we'll touch it. But we have seen a lot fail test and know some of that is in NZ. The 4x4 market has lots, much coming in via Aussie. There's always going to be a balance between cost and safety. And by cost I don't just mean $$. If speed cameras save lives why don't we have one every 200m? Because of the $$ cost. If speed kills why isn't every car forced to have an automatic GPS speed limiter that automatically kicks in? Because of the privacy cost. Speed can kill but on NZ roads that line is more a LSTA pump up marketing angle than a reality. Speak to first responders to get the truth. They will tell you the main cause is distractions like cellphones, screens on dashboards coupled with so called driver aids that mean you don't have to be very attentive when behind the wheel. We took a mates new toymotor down to field days. All you have to do on the open road is try to stay awake, you dont need to drive it. It freaked us both out how easy it would be to zone out.....and die. |
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Mar 18, 2023 17:37:59 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 18, 2023 17:37:59 GMT 12
Another thing that's super dangerous and isn't banned is petrol... www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/300833547/one-dead-in-horrible-car-fire-in-downtown-aucklandThis post isn't intended to fan the flames of EV vs petrol... Just carrying on the theme of known dangerous things we have around us all the time. It's possible even probable this was a suicide. If it was then it won't be reported as one. If it wasn't, then the petroleum mis-information cartel have done one hell of a job. Petrol is not a hazard, ask Worksafe. 2 months ago they wondered in and I had to lodge all hazards in their register. It accepted many things including 1/4 of a small bag if that premixed concrete just add water stuff, which it says must be stored in DGS and dispensed by an 'authorised person'. But it does not accept petrol as a hazard of any sort. When I asked why all I got was crickets. True story as freaking bizarre as it sounds. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 16:24:02 GMT 12
Number 1 son is joining the EV ranks in sort. Nissan Note ev/hybrid,no plug in at home.Has a motor that does not drive the car but a generator . 1.2lt use 2lts per 100km ex japan $15k 88000 km www.nissan.co.nz/about-nissan/e-power.html |
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Post by muzled on Mar 23, 2023 19:17:54 GMT 12
Number 1 son is joining the EV ranks in sort. Nissan Note ev/hybrid,no plug in at home.Has a motor that does not drive the car but a generator . 1.2lt use 2lts per 100km ex japan $15k 88000 km www.nissan.co.nz/about-nissan/e-power.htmlOur little car had a small swim in the floods and has been written off so we've bought a 2018 leaf, still in the land of the rising sun and we mightn't see it for another month or two yet. Paid just over $15K for it, plus shipping and few other costs, seemed a lot cheaper than the $33K that the yards were selling them for which I wouldn't have paid as could get another little Hyundai (which I loved, drove like a cut cat) for about $16K. But this thing should be about $20K all up so it seemed a no brainer to me. 230km range around town, 180'ish open road, that'll cover 99% of what I want it for. Sure as shit didn't buy it to save the planet, but I look forward to not filling it up. Said no one ever - I really miss going into the petrol station... |
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Post by fish on Mar 23, 2023 20:35:17 GMT 12
Number 1 son is joining the EV ranks in sort. Nissan Note ev/hybrid,no plug in at home.Has a motor that does not drive the car but a generator . 1.2lt use 2lts per 100km ex japan $15k 88000 km www.nissan.co.nz/about-nissan/e-power.htmlSo if it doesn't plug I, then it is a hybrid? Noting that the motor does not drive the car. So it would have regenerative breaking (huge energy recovery), and the motor will tick over a fixed revs, at the most efficient energy point? No gear box required, with cost of manufacture and energy losses saved, noting those are minor, and I think electric conversion has the same or higher energy losses. Do you know the kW size of the batteries? I assume they are smaller than a full EV. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 2:50:08 GMT 12
No idea on KW batteries but I believe if they shit themselves you can change at home. This is his gig,hes in to this stuff .
Nissan Leafs,be careful,check battery life as seen a lot with notice of sale showing 50 or 75 % life
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Post by GO30 on Apr 1, 2023 12:25:38 GMT 12
I was told last evening of a local name power company who's fleet has gone all EV. As the staff are allowed to take them home they installed chargers in their houses.
But as they are commercial vehicles no one has insurance to cover them being charged at home. So the staff drive ICE's to work where their EV sit getting charged.
I am a shareholder of the company and have asked if this is correct.
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Post by GO30 on Apr 1, 2023 12:29:14 GMT 12
Also 1 less Tesla I see.
Witnesses describe popping and jets of flame as the Fire Service tried to get it under control.
So that means the battery either let go or let go quickly after some incident.
I see 4 BIG motorcar manufacturers have said they have ceased all RnD into EV's and are putting all their resources into hydrogen instead. That maybe why Tesla has dropped it's pants on prices, sell the backlog before people realise they are buying dated technology
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