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Feb 20, 2024 21:05:51 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 20, 2024 21:05:51 GMT 12
From Winston - On Friday last week the Court of Appeal made a significant ruling that upheld a previous High Court judgement that the New Zealand Defence Force's workplace Covid-19 vaccination mandate is unlawful. Since then, just one online media outlet has reported this ruling. This solitary report was also behind a paywall - so not accessible to the vast majority of the public. No other mainstream media outlet has made any mention of this ruling which clearly identifies that people’s rights and freedoms were significantly eroded by an unlawful direction from the previous government. It is unbelievable that nothing was mentioned on the television main news channels, radio, or other online platforms. The significant finding of the Court of Appeal included upholding a previous ruling in High Court of the affect these forced mandates had on the New Zealand Bill of Rights. New Zealand First has always believed that in any robust and enduring democracy an accountable and balanced fourth estate is essential. However, instead of the public being informed of the facts and truth of a significant ruling from one of our highest courts, they have been exposed to a prime example of the unrelenting bias of much of our mainstream media. There is no other logical reason or excuse as to why New Zealanders have not been properly informed. This ruling has significant ramifications for the current Covid Inquiry, not only highlighting the inadequate terms of reference that were previously created under the last government, but also the significant ramifications for the justification of all previous and remaining mandates in all workplaces. It is deeply concerning that New Zealand’s mainstream media has neglected to inform New Zealanders of this important and significant finding that directly affects New Zealander’s rights and freedoms in our democracy. Yep. The ACT spin machine also posted the same bullshit. This is the patheticness that is running our country... total incompetence. And let's not forget this quote from Winnie is 2021.... If Winnies point was 1,000,000 miles wide, you managed to missed it by 1,000 times more than that.
That's assuming your post was intentionally written as a response not for effect.... affect? Those 2 always fuck me up!!
Winnie, and he's hardly a loner, is right, the MSM powers that be have an agenda and are sticking to it, that's more obvious than where rain comes from and a couple have even said so out loud. Why is the question and there are numerous studies looking at that, the vast majority of which do tend to come to the same conclusion.
The problem Winnie and David have is not only are they the 'wrong sort' of Maori they are also the 'wrong sort' of politician. But then so are the entire current Govt.
On pondering I'm sticking with effect.
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Feb 20, 2024 21:36:39 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Feb 20, 2024 21:36:39 GMT 12
Yep. The ACT spin machine also posted the same bullshit. This is the patheticness that is running our country... total incompetence. And let's not forget this quote from Winnie is 2021.... If Winnies point was 1,000,000 miles wide, you managed to missed it by 1,000 times more than that.
That's assuming your post was intentionally written as a response not for effect.... affect? Those 2 always fuck me up!!
Winnie, and he's hardly a loner, is right, the MSM powers that be have an agenda and are sticking to it, that's more obvious than where rain comes from and a couple have even said so out loud. Why is the question and there are numerous studies looking at that, the vast majority of which do tend to come to the same conclusion.
The problem Winnie and David have is not only are they the 'wrong sort' of Maori they are also the 'wrong sort' of politician. But then so are the entire current Govt.
On pondering I'm sticking with effect. He is literally bitching that the MSM have not published fake news. Maybe I have missed his point... I think effect is right. Maybe lol |
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Feb 21, 2024 17:34:26 GMT 12
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Post by muzled on Feb 21, 2024 17:34:26 GMT 12
Lawyer Stephen Franks take on ze defence ruling. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/stephen-franks-on-the-court-of-appeals-ruling-on-nzdf-vaccine-mandatesMy attempt at a transcript... They sound like a bunch of nazis. 'Section 11 of the bill of rights act says there is a right to refuse to undergo medical treatment. But there is another section that says your rights can be limited by actions that are demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. And the court recognised for the military there are regularable requirements for people to be vaxxed, they have very different conditions from the general public and if they're going to be deployed overseas they might need to be ready so there are a whole list of prescribed vaccinations that people must have if they're in the military and as 'efficient' (ready to go). But in this case they seem to have gone out of their way to make it much harder for people who were unhappy about covid vax or boosters.
The court was clearly exasperated by the conduct of the defence and they way they ran the case and the information that WASN'T provided. And it was pretty clear that the military had got the decision of justice Cook a year or more ago and decided they were going to everything they could to frustrate him implementing it.
Head office took the decision off the commanding officers and gave it to their 'People Officer', so they obviously couldn't trust the CO's to decide whether or not the lack of a covid vax was problematic, it was quite clear they were trying to frighten people into taking the vax.
Defence are not allowed to apply the policy, you may not be vindictive against the people who bought this case and you go away now and make your policy consistent with instructions of the two courts that have ruled against you. That you make your actions relevant to the real risk posed by covid.
The court sets out at some length that the covid vaccination really isn't very useful, that there are possibly risks for young people and of course a lot of the military are young.
But the shocking thing to me was to read that pretty much 50% of the people in the military are not fit enough to go overseas. One of the things the court raised its eyebrows over was 'you're obviouisly persecuting these people who reject the covid vax but you've got a whole lot of people who don't come upto criteria and you haven't given us any evidence why that's not more serious.It sounds like Defence are still in denial about what the court has told them to do. Plunkett - Do you think this case has been underreported by MSM?
Franks - It's astonishing, Thomas Cranmer ran it for new stalk zb and I just couldn't believe it wasn't picked up elsewhere, it's a significant case. There is a lot more than that, well worth a listen. |
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Feb 22, 2024 6:13:02 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Feb 22, 2024 6:13:02 GMT 12
Lawyer Stephen Franks take on ze defence ruling. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/stephen-franks-on-the-court-of-appeals-ruling-on-nzdf-vaccine-mandatesMy attempt at a transcript... They sound like a bunch of nazis. 'Section 11 of the bill of rights act says there is a right to refuse to undergo medical treatment. But there is another section that says your rights can be limited by actions that are demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. And the court recognised for the military there are regularable requirements for people to be vaxxed, they have very different conditions from the general public and if they're going to be deployed overseas they might need to be ready so there are a whole list of prescribed vaccinations that people must have if they're in the military and as 'efficient' (ready to go). But in this case they seem to have gone out of their way to make it much harder for people who were unhappy about covid vax or boosters.
The court was clearly exasperated by the conduct of the defence and they way they ran the case and the information that WASN'T provided. And it was pretty clear that the military had got the decision of justice Cook a year or more ago and decided they were going to everything they could to frustrate him implementing it.
Head office took the decision off the commanding officers and gave it to their 'People Officer', so they obviously couldn't trust the CO's to decide whether or not the lack of a covid vax was problematic, it was quite clear they were trying to frighten people into taking the vax.
Defence are not allowed to apply the policy, you may not be vindictive against the people who bought this case and you go away now and make your policy consistent with instructions of the two courts that have ruled against you. That you make your actions relevant to the real risk posed by covid.
The court sets out at some length that the covid vaccination really isn't very useful, that there are possibly risks for young people and of course a lot of the military are young.
But the shocking thing to me was to read that pretty much 50% of the people in the military are not fit enough to go overseas. One of the things the court raised its eyebrows over was 'you're obviouisly persecuting these people who reject the covid vax but you've got a whole lot of people who don't come upto criteria and you haven't given us any evidence why that's not more serious.It sounds like Defence are still in denial about what the court has told them to do. Plunkett - Do you think this case has been underreported by MSM?
Franks - It's astonishing, Thomas Cranmer ran it for new stalk zb and I just couldn't believe it wasn't picked up elsewhere, it's a significant case. There is a lot more than that, well worth a listen. Good summary. NZDF have a whole lot of "special" employment law policies that are actually in legislation. They have not followed them. We're seeing the same problem across the board with companies coming unstuck for not following due-process when letting people go. It is seriously so fucking hard to fire people in NZ and some of these companies have literally tried to use vaccine mandates to weed out the unwanted. No wonder they are coming unstuck. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 22, 2024 8:50:56 GMT 12
Lawyer Stephen Franks take on ze defence ruling.
The court sets out at some length that the covid vaccination really isn't very useful, that there are possibly risks for young people and of course a lot of the military are young.
And this is the crux of the issue with mandates. Government and companies claimed to have carried out safety and risk assessments, but in fact with little or no real evidence that the mandates were effective or justified. We have since had Fizzer come out and acknowledge that their Jab does not stop a person catching COVID nor did it stop transmission. Even before NZ companies introduced mandates there were "super spreader" events around Xmas 2021 attended only by the jabbed. There was already evidence that people were suffering immediate adverse, even fatal effects from the jabs. Just one example nzdsos.com/2024/02/12/vivek-jain-dentist/I have a friend who was administering jabs, she said it was heart breaking seeing people, especially women coming in crying because of their fear of taking the jab under coercion. We are now seeing the more long term probable adverse effects from the jabs. NZ and most/all well jabbed countries are seeing significant increase in deaths yet medical/health authorities seem very reluctant to really investigate the causes. Maybe it is all coincidental, but has been stated many times when a new vaccine is introduced, it is treated as "guilty until proven innocent" in respect of side effects. Remember Fizzer's own document reported early 2021 ~1200 deaths in the first 3 months of use and 10x injuries. This was written in late 2021 in response to Fletchers announcing their mandate, proved to be quite prescient      |
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Feb 25, 2024 10:42:45 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 25, 2024 10:42:45 GMT 12
Haven’t been vaxxed for ages but managed to pick up a decent dose of Covid recently - probably one of the new variants from my European travels. I did a test yesterday and it showed the strongest positive result I’ve ever seen - the Control line was normal dark red and the Test positive was almost black. Explains why my beer has been tasting a bit off last few days. But don’t worry I’m persevering with that - whilst I self-isolate from the family on Fogg 😊 Covid is still a thing then. Similar to a cold in some ways but different in others. My only mild curiosity is about the potential damaging cumulative effects of catching Covid multiple times - as opposed to a common cold. I’ve heard there’s some evidence on that.  |
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Feb 25, 2024 12:39:47 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Feb 25, 2024 12:39:47 GMT 12
meanwhile Dr Muriel Newman poses question the Royal Commission into the COVID response in NZ SHOULD be addressing www.nzcpr.com/investigating-covid/#more-39124A fundamental question is why the MoH's Pandemic Management Plan (2017 latest update) dumped with no basis and against informed advice excerpt At the start of the pandemic in 2020 Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Government followed the Ministry of Health’s Pandemic Plan. By mid-March there was to be a 30-day focus on slowing the spread of the virus through stricter border controls, a restriction on gatherings to 100 people, and extra precautions for those at the greatest risk. However, within a matter of days, the Prime Minister took over control.
A ‘team’ of PR advisors was appointed, and the tried and tested Pandemic Plan was ditched, as the strategy changed from managing the virus to eliminating it.
Without any cost-benefit analysis or regulatory impact statement, the country was ordered into one of the world’s harshest lockdowns – against Ministry of Health advice.
Many experts objected.
According to former New Zealander of the Year Sir Ray Avery, trying to eliminate a flu-type virus was impossible: “In the history of all humankind, we have only ever eliminated one major infectious disease – smallpox.”
He warned there would be severe consequences: “This virus will have caused more economic damage, loss of livelihoods, increased suicides, disruption to our education system, inhuman treatment of our elderly and irreversible social changes than actual deaths.”
In Britain, the former British Supreme Court Justice Lord Sumption, also railed against lockdowns. He believes that whenever democratic safeguards are suspended it’s the public’s duty to hold the government to account.
With Covid being no worse than a bad flu for the majority of people, he asked, “Is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy, destroying businesses that honest and hardworking people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt, depression, stress, heart attacks, suicides and unbelievable distress inflicted on millions of people who are not especially vulnerable and will suffer only mild symptoms or none at all?”
In New Zealand, holding the government to account was proving difficult as the Prime Minister had taken control of the narrative, claiming her Government was the ‘single source of truth’: “unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth’.” |
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Feb 26, 2024 8:43:00 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Feb 26, 2024 8:43:00 GMT 12
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Feb 26, 2024 10:29:35 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 26, 2024 10:29:35 GMT 12
I must be missing something… what’s the reason this is considered potentially linked to Covid / vaccines and needing investigation, as opposed to any other factors?
For example, why not investigate if it might have been caused by 5G or contaminated drinking water or UPFs or air pollution or micro-plastics in seafood etc etc? I’m being facetious just to make the point! 😊
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Feb 26, 2024 10:41:29 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 26, 2024 10:41:29 GMT 12
I must be missing something… what’s the reason this is considered potentially linked to Covid / vaccines and needing investigation, as opposed to any other factors? For example, why not investigate if it might have been caused by 5G or contaminated drinking water or UPFs or air pollution or micro-plastics in seafood etc etc? I’m being facetious just to make the point! 😊 This is exactly the point, there is a statistically significant increase in deaths in NZ and most western countries (and mainly outside the elderly age bracket), which coincidentally are all highly jabbed. The same is not happening in countries where the jab rate is low. So why is this happening, is it jab related or something else? Under normal circumstances there would be researchers all over this and coronial inquests would be digging deep but it is not happening. What are the health authorities afraid may be found? Lots of questions but no answers. |
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Feb 26, 2024 10:42:12 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Feb 26, 2024 10:42:12 GMT 12
I must be missing something… what’s the reason this is considered potentially linked to Covid / vaccines and needing investigation, as opposed to any other factors? For example, why not investigate if it might have been caused by 5G or contaminated drinking water or UPFs or air pollution or micro-plastics in seafood etc etc? I’m being facetious just to make the point! 😊 I would assume because of the international excess death rate, and seemingly dramatic increase in "sudden deaths" coinciding perfectly with the international jab roll out. Its not hard to join the dots given the known issues with mRNA, the evidence to date and the billegerent refusal of the authorities to even consider that these issues may be related to the jab. May be it is just a coincidence but lets see some unbiased (if that is even possible with modern corrupted science) research into all cause health outcomes of jabbed v unjabbed. |
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Feb 26, 2024 10:46:38 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 26, 2024 10:46:38 GMT 12
If that’s true - I’m not saying it isn’t true but I’m just saying I’ve not seen the evidence to support your statement - this would be an amazing global research opportunity for a bunch of bright, motivated young things looking for their next next PhD thesis or ways to make an impact on the world.
So forget mainstream governments - why isn’t someone doing it because there’s no shortage of wealthy backers, who didn’t believe in the mainstream Covid narrative, for a project like this.?
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Post by fish on Feb 26, 2024 11:37:29 GMT 12
There are two possible reasons not to look into it:
1) There is nothing you can do about it now. As in, everyone has been jabbed, it is done and dusted, and just bad luck if you die now.
2) The health authorities are run too ragged to have the time or budget to deal with it. We know every health system is in a state of crises. If you are constantly putting out fires, who has the time to work out why one of your fire-extinguishers had petrol in it?
Two other points, obviosuly you guys are saying it is politically expedient to not look at it. Hopefully Winnie's enquiry will cover it. Reports are already out that the Health Authorities recommended a containment strategy, not an elimination strategy, but govt went against that advice.
The only other aspect to consider, is to not keep on giving the covid jab to people. Crazy idea right?
I'll bet you a good bottle of whiskey that even if officials and govt know the jab was a complete fuck-up, they will say there is a greater public benefit by not telling the public, so as to not undermine trust in the govt and more importantly in health authorities. No one would listen to them again on anything. Smoking, getting you butt-hole checked for bowel cancer, preventable diseases we currently use well tested jabs for, etc, etc.
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Post by sabre on Feb 26, 2024 12:04:18 GMT 12
If that’s true - I’m not saying it isn’t true but I’m just saying I’ve not seen the evidence to support your statement - this would be an amazing global research opportunity for a bunch of bright, motivated young things looking for their next next PhD thesis or ways to make an impact on the world. So forget mainstream governments - why isn’t someone doing it because there’s no shortage of wealthy backers, who didn’t believe in the mainstream Covid narrative, for a project like this.? There are plenty of qualified people who have already delved into the data available and have published their findings. Of course they are hampered at every turn for example our MoH refusing to provide the data needed to do a thorough analysis. Look at the trouble the authorities went to to silence anyone with the data our NZ whistle blower released. And if anyone, no matter how qualified they are, suggest that there are red flags with the jab they are instantly subjected to character assasination by mainstream media. Dr Aseem Mahltra, one of the UK's leading cardioligists is a prime example. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/13/bbc-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-links-covid-jabs-to-heart-disease-deaths |
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Feb 26, 2024 12:25:39 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 26, 2024 12:25:39 GMT 12
If there’s any truth to this then it’s much bigger than NZ and a global issue - and so I would not be waiting with bated breath for anything to come out of a NZ-centric review.
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