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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2023 20:54:12 GMT 12
I've not been able to get definitive or trustworthy information on how Hamas came to power. I understood they seized power from Fatah over a week of gun battles in Gaza. But I haven't been able to find that information to confirm it. About the most objective commentary on Hamas' background that I can find (yes, I know in itself there is controversy about the CFR) www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamasMy company supplied laptop says I don't have permission to view that. So it must good. Or controversial.
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2023 11:33:25 GMT 12
How Israel keeps hundreds of Palestinians in detention without charge: But for freed Palestinians, the context in which they return is more barbed and fraught. In lists distributed to media, Israeli authorities label all the prisoners up for release as "terrorists". Some were convicted of crimes such as attempted murder; others were detained for activities like "throwing stones" or carrying knives. And a few, like 59-year-old Hanan Barghouti, the eldest female prisoner to be released, were in indefinite Israeli custody without any charge. While there were scenes of jubilation in Ramallah in the West Bank as a group of released prisoners met their families over the weekend, Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's far-right national security minister, issued directives cracking down on such celebrations in East Jerusalem, where the Israeli police can directly operate. "My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy," he said. "Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis." Meanwhile, in the West Bank, most of which is under Israel's military administration, Israeli authorities have detained roughly as many Palestinians as have been released in the past few days. A post-October 7 crackdown saw the Palestinian population in Israeli custody almost double, by some measures: According to Palestinian rights groups, more than 3000 Palestinians, mostly in the West Bank, were swept up by Israeli security forces. The majority appear to be held in administrative detention – that is, a form of incarceration without charge or trial that authorities can renew indefinitely. Under international law, the practice of administrative detention is supposed to be used only in exceptional circumstances. But, as Israeli and international human rights groups document, it has become more the norm in the West Bank. Even before October 7, smouldering tensions and violence in the West Bank had led to a three-decade high in administrative detentions. Then, according to the Israeli human rights organisation HaMoked, the total number of Palestinians in administrative detention went from 1319 on October 1 to 2070 on November 1 – close to a third of the total Palestinian prisoner population. www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/301017190/how-israel-keeps-hundreds-of-palestinians-in-detention-without-charge
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 4, 2023 9:32:23 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera?
Same with Israel
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Post by harrytom on Dec 4, 2023 10:02:31 GMT 12
Hamas v Israel
Reminds me of the movie "The Castle"
Farouk : He say plane fly overhead, drop value. I don't care. In Beirut, plane fly over, drop bomb. I like these planes.
Farouk : You have friend, I have friend. My friend go to your house, put bomb under your car and blow you to fucking sky!
Darryl Kerrigan : What did he do?
Farouk : He get scared and he leave!
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2023 10:19:43 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera? Same with Israel It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals?
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 4, 2023 10:39:57 GMT 12
Are you suckered I'm by the Hamas coverage . I see more buildings standing than bombed
I don't ever see a open wound
I see screaming people running around with what look like people with scratches and blood
I'm not on FB, so maybe you see more detail
Remember all the Palestine coverage is controlled by murdering Hamas scum that you seen to defend as Palestinians.
They were warned to go south and don't!
Idiots!
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Post by em on Dec 4, 2023 12:09:48 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera? Same with Israel It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals? Meanwhile Putins press secretary warns the west they will start “another” war , Israel/palestine was just the start . Zelenskyy said last week they have info that the Russians are shit stirring in the Balkans also on the Muslim front there …think Albania and Croatia . They are cunning operators the Russians they’ve got the whole world with their undies in a knot , on purpose .
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2023 15:01:56 GMT 12
It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals? Meanwhile Putins press secretary warns the west they will start “another” war , Israel/palestine was just the start . Zelenskyy said last week they have info that the Russians are shit stirring in the Balkans also on the Muslim front there …think Albania and Croatia . They are cunning operators the Russians they’ve got the whole world with their undies in a knot , on purpose . The more bombs the Americans drop on Muslims the less there are to drop on Russia. Of course the Americans wouldn't do the dirty work themselves, they have proxies for that. But the American Military Industrial Complex must be an amazeballs place for making money at the moment. They can't make bombs fast enough...
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Post by muzled on Dec 7, 2023 9:48:16 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Dec 17, 2023 8:34:38 GMT 12
If they shoot their own guys speaking Hebrew waving a white flag, I wonder what the IDF are doing to any Palestinians trying to surrender? Three Israeli hostages killed mistakenly in Gaza by Israeli forces had been holding up a white flag, a military official said on Saturday (local time), citing an initial inquiry into the incident that has shaken the country. A soldier saw the hostages emerging tens of metres from Israeli forces on Friday in Shejaiya, an area of intense combat in northern Gaza where Hamas militants operate in civilian attire and use deception tactics, the official said. "They're all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it. The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they're terrorists. They (the Israeli forces) open fire. Two (hostages) are killed immediately," the official told reporters in a phone briefing. The third hostage was wounded and retreated into a nearby building where he called for help in Hebrew, the official said. "Immediately the battalion commander issues a ceasefire order, but again there's another burst of fire towards the third figure and he also dies," the official said. "This was against our rules of engagement," he added. www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/12/israel-hamas-conflict-israeli-hostages-killed-in-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says.html
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Post by fish on Nov 25, 2024 19:53:54 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Nov 25, 2024 20:01:18 GMT 12
The head of orthopaedics at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital was working at the al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza in December when he and other medics were arrested by the Israeli army for, they said, “national security reasons”.
Four months later, Ofer Prison guards dragged Al-Bursh and dumped him in the prison yard, naked from the waist down, bleeding and unable to stand, according to a statement provided by Israeli human rights organisation, HaMoked.
Recognising him, some of the other prisoners carried Al-Bursh to a nearby room, and he died moments later.
Entering ‘Hell’ Dr Al-Bursh had become a fixture in the lives of many through the video diaries he posted before his arrest.
His videos showed him with his colleagues, digging mass graves in the al-Shifa yard to bury people because Israel would not let their bodies be taken to a cemetery, operating on the injured and the dying with little or no equipment, and waiting together for the Israeli assault on a hospital where thousands had sought safety.
The assault came in mid-November when, in scenes captured by Dr Al-Bursh, the Israeli army ordered al-Shifa, its patients, staff and approximately 50,000 displaced people sheltering in the compound to vacate.
Dr Al-Bursh made his way to the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza where he worked until that too came under fire in November and he moved to Al-Awda Hospital.
There he was arrested and entered a prison system that Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem describes as “Hell”.
Israel often detains healthcare workers like Dr Al-Bursh, holding them in horrific conditions for “investigation”.
“Most of the doctors and nurses [held by Israel who spoke to PHRI] reported that the investigation was ‘fishing’ for information, but they weren’t accused [of] any charges,” Naji Abbas, Physicians for Human Rights Israel’s prisoners’ department director said.
“Our lawyer visited dozens of healthcare workers who [are] still in Israeli detention for long months without charge or having a fair trial, most of them didn’t ever see a lawyer,” he added.
The Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza reports that Israel has detained at least 310 Palestinian healthcare workers since the war on Gaza began in October 2023.
Many of them have reported abuse and cruel treatment including the use of stress positions, withholding food and water and sexual violence, including rape.
“It’s brutal and it’s systematic,” he said of a system that B’Tselem’s August report, Welcome To Hell, characterized as “a network of torture camps”.
“It’s not just violence, humiliation and sexual abuse, it’s everything,” Ansari said.
“Accounts of physical and sexual violence were common. Of those who had been abused physically, injuries around the head, shoulders and, in the cases of men, from between the legs and the bottom are fairly common,” Ansari added.
She detailed the case of one paramedic who told HRW of having encountered another detainee, bleeding from his anus, who described how three Israeli guards had taken it in turns to rape him with their M16 rifles.
In July, following arrests of Israeli soldiers accused of systematic torture and rape at the Sde Teiman detention facility, Israeli protesters – elected politicians among them – stormed Sde Teiman and the nearby Beit Lid base demanding the release of the arrested soldiers.
‘Reduce their rights’ Responding to accusations of overcrowding from the Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security agency in July, Ben-Gvir boasted of the abominable conditions in his prison systems, writing on X: “Since I assumed the position of minister of national security, one of the highest goals I have set for myself is to worsen the conditions of the terrorists in the prisons and to reduce their rights to the minimum required by law.”
Earlier the same week, he released a video saying: “Prisoners should be shot in the head instead of being given more food.”
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Post by fish on Nov 25, 2024 20:36:53 GMT 12
Information from the Israeli human rights organisation HaMoked. Condemnations and reactions poured in from around the world over the "likely rape" and murder of a renowned Palestinian doctor from Gaza in an Israeli prison after a report revealed chilling new details of his last moments. Adnan al Bursh, an orthopaedic surgeon who had continued to treat the wounded even when Israeli bombs fell all around him, was detained on December 19, 2023, and taken to the notorious Sde Teiman detention facility. Four months later, he was transferred to Ofer Prison in the occupied West Bank, unable to walk and eventually died, a Sky News investigation has revealed. According to testimony collected by the Israeli human rights organisation HaMoked, Bursh arrived in Ofer Prison in a severely battered condition, naked from the waist down, and unable to stand. www.trtworld.com/middle-east/sickening-reactions-to-gaza-doctors-rape-and-murder-in-israeli-prison-18233438
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Post by Cantab on Nov 26, 2024 6:22:44 GMT 12
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Post by El Toro on Nov 26, 2024 8:58:21 GMT 12
Surely you dont actually believe what you just posted then Cantab?! No denying the right hand column but the left... seriously?
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