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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2023 20:54:12 GMT 12
I've not been able to get definitive or trustworthy information on how Hamas came to power. I understood they seized power from Fatah over a week of gun battles in Gaza. But I haven't been able to find that information to confirm it. About the most objective commentary on Hamas' background that I can find (yes, I know in itself there is controversy about the CFR) www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamasMy company supplied laptop says I don't have permission to view that. So it must good. Or controversial.
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2023 11:33:25 GMT 12
How Israel keeps hundreds of Palestinians in detention without charge: But for freed Palestinians, the context in which they return is more barbed and fraught. In lists distributed to media, Israeli authorities label all the prisoners up for release as "terrorists". Some were convicted of crimes such as attempted murder; others were detained for activities like "throwing stones" or carrying knives. And a few, like 59-year-old Hanan Barghouti, the eldest female prisoner to be released, were in indefinite Israeli custody without any charge. While there were scenes of jubilation in Ramallah in the West Bank as a group of released prisoners met their families over the weekend, Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's far-right national security minister, issued directives cracking down on such celebrations in East Jerusalem, where the Israeli police can directly operate. "My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy," he said. "Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis." Meanwhile, in the West Bank, most of which is under Israel's military administration, Israeli authorities have detained roughly as many Palestinians as have been released in the past few days. A post-October 7 crackdown saw the Palestinian population in Israeli custody almost double, by some measures: According to Palestinian rights groups, more than 3000 Palestinians, mostly in the West Bank, were swept up by Israeli security forces. The majority appear to be held in administrative detention – that is, a form of incarceration without charge or trial that authorities can renew indefinitely. Under international law, the practice of administrative detention is supposed to be used only in exceptional circumstances. But, as Israeli and international human rights groups document, it has become more the norm in the West Bank. Even before October 7, smouldering tensions and violence in the West Bank had led to a three-decade high in administrative detentions. Then, according to the Israeli human rights organisation HaMoked, the total number of Palestinians in administrative detention went from 1319 on October 1 to 2070 on November 1 – close to a third of the total Palestinian prisoner population. www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/301017190/how-israel-keeps-hundreds-of-palestinians-in-detention-without-charge
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 4, 2023 9:32:23 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera?
Same with Israel
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Post by harrytom on Dec 4, 2023 10:02:31 GMT 12
Hamas v Israel
Reminds me of the movie "The Castle"
Farouk : He say plane fly overhead, drop value. I don't care. In Beirut, plane fly over, drop bomb. I like these planes.
Farouk : You have friend, I have friend. My friend go to your house, put bomb under your car and blow you to fucking sky!
Darryl Kerrigan : What did he do?
Farouk : He get scared and he leave!
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2023 10:19:43 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera? Same with Israel It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals?
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 4, 2023 10:39:57 GMT 12
Are you suckered I'm by the Hamas coverage . I see more buildings standing than bombed
I don't ever see a open wound
I see screaming people running around with what look like people with scratches and blood
I'm not on FB, so maybe you see more detail
Remember all the Palestine coverage is controlled by murdering Hamas scum that you seen to defend as Palestinians.
They were warned to go south and don't!
Idiots!
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Post by em on Dec 4, 2023 12:09:48 GMT 12
Q: can you believe the footage from Hamas ( palestine) or is it orchestrated acting for the camera? Same with Israel It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals? Meanwhile Putins press secretary warns the west they will start “another” war , Israel/palestine was just the start . Zelenskyy said last week they have info that the Russians are shit stirring in the Balkans also on the Muslim front there …think Albania and Croatia . They are cunning operators the Russians they’ve got the whole world with their undies in a knot , on purpose .
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2023 15:01:56 GMT 12
It is fascinating where the world has gotten to. Israel vow revenge 'for generations'. Vow to destroy Hamas. Have the most committed army in the world. Are backed by the world superpower (US) Are readily gifted 10,000's of tonnes of bombs Show you FB feeds of them bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated enclaves in the world. Carpet bomb the place for 2 months, And you ask if the piles of dead women and children are fake? Are you a bit handicapped? Or are you getting sucked in by the Israeli narrative that they somehow have morals? Meanwhile Putins press secretary warns the west they will start “another” war , Israel/palestine was just the start . Zelenskyy said last week they have info that the Russians are shit stirring in the Balkans also on the Muslim front there …think Albania and Croatia . They are cunning operators the Russians they’ve got the whole world with their undies in a knot , on purpose . The more bombs the Americans drop on Muslims the less there are to drop on Russia. Of course the Americans wouldn't do the dirty work themselves, they have proxies for that. But the American Military Industrial Complex must be an amazeballs place for making money at the moment. They can't make bombs fast enough...
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Post by muzled on Dec 7, 2023 9:48:16 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Dec 17, 2023 8:34:38 GMT 12
If they shoot their own guys speaking Hebrew waving a white flag, I wonder what the IDF are doing to any Palestinians trying to surrender? Three Israeli hostages killed mistakenly in Gaza by Israeli forces had been holding up a white flag, a military official said on Saturday (local time), citing an initial inquiry into the incident that has shaken the country. A soldier saw the hostages emerging tens of metres from Israeli forces on Friday in Shejaiya, an area of intense combat in northern Gaza where Hamas militants operate in civilian attire and use deception tactics, the official said. "They're all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it. The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they're terrorists. They (the Israeli forces) open fire. Two (hostages) are killed immediately," the official told reporters in a phone briefing. The third hostage was wounded and retreated into a nearby building where he called for help in Hebrew, the official said. "Immediately the battalion commander issues a ceasefire order, but again there's another burst of fire towards the third figure and he also dies," the official said. "This was against our rules of engagement," he added. www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/12/israel-hamas-conflict-israeli-hostages-killed-in-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says.html
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