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Post by em on Oct 7, 2023 17:45:02 GMT 12
Hamas is having a crack at invading israel as of an hour ago . Footage is pretty harrowing , somehow they have driven in en masse and even flying in on motorised paragliders . Also full on rocket barrages in Tel Aviv
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Post by fish on Oct 7, 2023 19:12:26 GMT 12
Hamas is having a crack at invading israel as of an hour ago . Footage is pretty harrowing , somehow they have driven in en masse and even flying in on motorised paragliders . Also full on rocket barrages in Tel Aviv I'd say they are sick of being shot like fish in a barrel and would prefer, collectively, to go out fighting rather than waiting for the next Israeli snipper or airstrike. |
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Post by fish on Oct 7, 2023 19:16:03 GMT 12
Israeli media reported that armed fighters had opened fire on passersby in the town of Sderot, in southern Israel, and footage circulating on social media appeared to show uniformed Palestinian fighters engaged in clashes in the border town. Another video on social media appeared to show a burning Israeli tank. The authenticity of the videos could not immediately be verified. Palestinian media also reported that a number of Israeli soldiers had been taken captive. The Israeli military was aware of reports of captives, a security source told the Reuters news agency, but provided no further details. Al Jazeera’s Rob Reynolds, reporting from occupied East Jerusalem, said the “element of surprise” in the early morning attack which appeared to involve Palestinian fighters in trucks inside Israel and on paragliders, in addition to the rocket fire, will leave Israelis “shocked and stunned”. www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/sirens-warn-of-rockets-launched-towards-israel-from-gaza-news-reports |
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2023 8:45:22 GMT 12
This is the official number of Deaths inflicted by Israel. I suspect the real number is somewhat higher. Not counting the journalists assassinated, the water supplies bombed all the buildings in Gaza blown up. INTERACTIVE-Gaza-human-toll-1696686056.webp (54.56 KB) |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 8, 2023 9:41:44 GMT 12
Hamas is having a crack at invading israel as of an hour ago . Footage is pretty harrowing , somehow they have driven in en masse and even flying in on motorised paragliders . Also full on rocket barrages in Tel Aviv I'd say they are sick of being shot like fish in a barrel and would prefer, collectively, to go out fighting rather than waiting for the next Israeli snipper or airstrike. Hamas does not give a shit about the population on the Gaza strip, they are just useful cannon fodder to advance their publicly stated objective to wipe out Israel. Remember Hamas' practice of locating its rocket launchers in hospitals, schools and apartment blocks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation spun out from the Egyptian "Muslim Brotherhood" (backed by QATAR, one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism) , backed by Hezbollah, ultimately funded by the mad mullahs in Iran. Some on doubt biased reporting (just as the QATAR based Al Jazeera is the other way) on the current fighting www.ajc.org/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-iran-backed-terror-group-hamas-and-its-attack-on-israel |
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2023 10:19:35 GMT 12
I'd say they are sick of being shot like fish in a barrel and would prefer, collectively, to go out fighting rather than waiting for the next Israeli snipper or airstrike. Hamas does not give a shit about the population on the Gaza strip, That's funny, neither does Israeli, or the rest of the world for that matter. What Israeli has been doing to Gaza is not far off genocide. People are only going to put up with that for so long. Either way, this is a jaw dropping failure of Israeli's intelligence and defense industries. What is the name of that extreme right wing minister that even Israel said was a member of a banned terrorist group? Think he is the current Minister of Justice, or Internal Security or something. The one that was causing all the provocation at Temple Mount? This is what he wanted. Everyone warned him if he did what he did this is what would happen. Sure you can blame Hamas. The last year or so Israeli politics has gone feral, including massive internal protests. This is just the product of that. |
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2023 10:41:22 GMT 12
National Security Minister Itamar Ben-GvirAn illegal settler in the occupied West Bank who heads the far-right Jewish Power Party, Ben-Gvir secured an expanded cabinet ministry in charge of police. He has promised to focus on law and order for all citizens, but he favours freer open-fire regulations for Israeli security forces. Ben-Gvir, 46, opposes Palestinian statehood and advocates the dismantling of the interim Palestinian Authority government. He once belonged to Kahane Chai, a Jewish armed group that is blacklisted in Israel and the United States. He has since disavowed some Kahane views. In 2007, he was convicted of incitement against Palestinians and support for terrorism. He is now a lawyer. www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/29/who-are-the-ministers-leading-israels-new-far-right-government
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 8, 2023 13:50:45 GMT 12
Hamas does not give a shit about the population on the Gaza strip, That's funny, neither does Israeli, or the rest of the world for that matter. What Israeli has been doing to Gaza is not far off genocide. People are only going to put up with that for so long. Either way, this is a jaw dropping failure of Israeli's intelligence and defense industries. What is the name of that extreme right wing minister that even Israel said was a member of a banned terrorist group? Think he is the current Minister of Justice, or Internal Security or something. The one that was causing all the provocation at Temple Mount? This is what he wanted. Everyone warned him if he did what he did this is what would happen. Sure you can blame Hamas. The last year or so Israeli politics has gone feral, including massive internal protests. This is just the product of that. you need to look up the definition of genocide, if that was Israel's intent Gaza would have ceased to exist a long time ago. That area of the world has been messy since time immemorial and nothing has changed. Look at Lebanon, was once the garden of the Middle East, since the PLO took over and trashed it, it is just a cesspool. Certainly agree Israel's usually very good intelligence network let them down, but does that justify Hamas' attack - in a word no. The recent internal protests in Israel have by and large been about the judicial law reforms being enacted there, ironically enough because judges and the Supreme Court believed they were the ultimate power in the country, rather than having the obligation to interpret and administer laws passed by the democratically elected Knesset (sounds rather like complaints about the judiciary in NZ). The "reforms" in some areas swung too far because they could effectively allow cabinet minister to ignore the law - once again sounds very familiar. |
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2023 15:24:45 GMT 12
That's funny, neither does Israeli, or the rest of the world for that matter. What Israeli has been doing to Gaza is not far off genocide. People are only going to put up with that for so long. Either way, this is a jaw dropping failure of Israeli's intelligence and defense industries. What is the name of that extreme right wing minister that even Israel said was a member of a banned terrorist group? Think he is the current Minister of Justice, or Internal Security or something. The one that was causing all the provocation at Temple Mount? This is what he wanted. Everyone warned him if he did what he did this is what would happen. Sure you can blame Hamas. The last year or so Israeli politics has gone feral, including massive internal protests. This is just the product of that. you need to look up the definition of genocide, if that was Israel's intent Gaza would have ceased to exist a long time ago. That area of the world has been messy since time immemorial and nothing has changed. Look at Lebanon, was once the garden of the Middle East, since the PLO took over and trashed it, it is just a cesspool. Certainly agree Israel's usually very good intelligence network let them down, but does that justify Hamas' attack - in a word no. The recent internal protests in Israel have by and large been about the judicial law reforms being enacted there, ironically enough because judges and the Supreme Court believed they were the ultimate power in the country, rather than having the obligation to interpret and administer laws passed by the democratically elected Knesset (sounds rather like complaints about the judiciary in NZ). The "reforms" in some areas swung too far because they could effectively allow cabinet minister to ignore the law - once again sounds very familiar. My problem with all of this is how quick the entire Western World condemns Hamas for the evils they have just done, but are completely silent on the evils Israel commit on a daily and ongoing basis. It's just the hypocrisy of it. I see the collective punishment has started. Blocking food power and medicine to the Gaza strip, whilst bombing them at the same time. It wouldn't be so bad if these people could leave. It's like the siege of Stalingrad in WW2, accept the whole western world supports it. |
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Post by em on Oct 8, 2023 16:30:55 GMT 12
These kind of conflicts always get my attention ….if NZ wasn’t so isolated we could have the same sort of scenario . Smuggling arms in here would be impossible and the $$ would be eyewatering so little chance of it happening . I wonder what the world view would be if Pākehās stated nailing Māori settlements like Manurewa with air strikes ? And Māoris went burning around town with captured pakeha bodies in Hilux ute’s .
It’s easy to judge from the other side of the world but we have a scarily nearly parallel land dispute thing going on here , just minus the armed conflict .
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 8, 2023 17:33:12 GMT 12
Either way, this is a jaw dropping failure of Israeli's intelligence and defense industries. Interesting comment elsewhere on this question peckford42.wordpress.com/2023/10/08/americas-betrayal-of-israel/One idea floating around my inbox this afternoon is that part of Israel’s complete military collapse today was caused by a massive Iranian cyber attack that hacked its systems and prevented it from seeing what ought to have been obvious. That this could not only be true but related to the U.S. having recently given a team of Iranian agents high-level access to U.S. intelligence www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith, which could very well have included information about Israeli systems, is not nearly as far-fetched a scenario as many would like it to be. And to the extent that we ever find out the truth about any of this, it will be because of Elon Musk, without whom we’d only have access to state-approved propaganda. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 8, 2023 17:52:48 GMT 12
My problem with all of this is how quick the entire Western World condemns Hamas for the evils they have just done, but are completely silent on the evils Israel commit on a daily and ongoing basis. It's just the hypocrisy of it. Surely you jest, Israel is the most "condemned" country in the world, because it exists. Just look at the UN and the Lame Stream media on anything Israel does, they cannot win. What are these daily evils you talk about? I certainly do not mistake Israeli's for saints, have had business dealings with a few of them and they are hard nosed and pig headed. But I guess when they are fighting for their very existence they are going to take a tough line. Why is the terrorist organisation HAMAS even in Gaza, certainly not for the good of the people living there. Huge amounts of aid money are donated for the people in Gaza yet much of this finds its way into HAMAS hands, either for the enrichment of its leaders and/or buying weapons. Why wasn't this money invested into power and water supplies instead of relying on Israel to supply it. Why wasn't this money put into housing, health and education to improve the lot of the people living on the strip? Why doesn't HAMAS withdraw from GAZA and leave it under UN supervision to be rebuilt? Because that does not suit HAMAS ((and Hezbollah and Iran) end goal, to destroy Israel. Have a read of this somewhat dated but still relevant paper on the failed peace process by an author who does not support the current Israeli administration, you certainly cannot say the Palestinians have acted in good faith www.international.ucla.edu/israel/currents/article/205993 |
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2023 20:14:20 GMT 12
My problem with all of this is how quick the entire Western World condemns Hamas for the evils they have just done, but are completely silent on the evils Israel commit on a daily and ongoing basis. It's just the hypocrisy of it. Surely you jest, Israel is the most "condemned" country in the world, because it exists. Just look at the UN and the Lame Stream media on anything Israel does, they cannot win. What are these daily evils you talk about? I certainly do not mistake Israeli's for saints, have had business dealings with a few of them and they are hard nosed and pig headed. But I guess when they are fighting for their very existence they are going to take a tough line. Why is the terrorist organisation HAMAS even in Gaza, certainly not for the good of the people living there. Huge amounts of aid money are donated for the people in Gaza yet much of this finds its way into HAMAS hands, either for the enrichment of its leaders and/or buying weapons. Why wasn't this money invested into power and water supplies instead of relying on Israel to supply it. Why wasn't this money put into housing, health and education to improve the lot of the people living on the strip? Why doesn't HAMAS withdraw from GAZA and leave it under UN supervision to be rebuilt? Because that does not suit HAMAS ((and Hezbollah and Iran) end goal, to destroy Israel. Have a read of this somewhat dated but still relevant paper on the failed peace process by an author who does not support the current Israeli administration, you certainly cannot say the Palestinians have acted in good faith www.international.ucla.edu/israel/currents/article/205993You've obviously have some entrenched views on the subject. It is likely you have some subconscious bias when it comes to media reports on what Israel actually gets up to. In saying that, I have no intention in listing / outlining them because I do not want to even countenance defending what Hamas are doing. The whole thing is sickening. I have seen one report (from Stuffed of all places) saying both sides are committing war crimes. That I agree with. My main point is around the hypocrisy of the Western World defending Israel. Israel have been in the instigator of most issues, particularly in this round, but the US inparticular, and the MSM, blindly support them. But right now, I've got serious concerns for how this is going to play out. If Israel invade Gaza it will be a blood bath. They already have blocked all supply of food and water to the 2.3mil people trapped in there. And they are bombing the crap out of it. What normally happens is something kicks off with Hamas, Israel retaliate by destroying half of Gaza and while they are at it killing a large number of civilians. Hamas hide in tunnels until it all blows over, and nothing much changes, accept the Palestinians get their homes destroyed, their kids killed and any access to the basics of life obliterated. Somehow Israel thinks this is justified, and makes them safer. It doesn't. |
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Post by eri on Oct 9, 2023 8:13:46 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 9, 2023 8:48:26 GMT 12
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