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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 15:26:59 GMT 12
And sorry but Fedex, DHL and others do fly lithium around the place. Are you taking about some chartered flight stuff? FedEx are very clear on their usa website that they will not ship standalone rechargeable lithium batteries or standalone cells. They also state that they consider a power pack, like the 16000mah one you have, a lithium battery and so it can nit be air freighted. It's written in black and white... www.fedex.com/en-nz/shipping-guide/pack/lithium-batteries.htmlDo you think FedEx just put that there on there website for shits and giggles? |
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Post by sabre on Nov 19, 2023 16:44:23 GMT 12
If I read it right it sounds like airlines will only take very small LA batteries (under 9amps) on board so forget trying to fly your LA house battery anywhere. Not sure why you would want to? Bit like I have no plans to fly my caravan anywhere either
I think I may have mentioned it already (once or twice) but Lithium-ion and lifepo4 have very different safety profiles. There is literally thousands of articles online explaining this.
By the way I have just messaged my two stepsons who install complete solar systems for a living that a couple of blokes on the internet reckon they have got their understanding of battery tech all wrong. I've told them to standby and I will pass on your guys wealth of knowledge asap. 👍
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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 17:09:22 GMT 12
If I read it right it sounds like airlines will only take very small LA batteries (under 9amps) on board so forget trying to fly your LA house battery anywhere. Not sure why you would want to? Bit like I have no plans to fly my caravan anywhere either I think I may have mentioned it already (once or twice) but Lithium-ion and lifepo4 have very different safety profiles. There is literally thousands of articles online explaining this. By the way I have just messaged my two stepsons who install complete solar systems for a living that a couple of blokes on the internet reckon they have got their understanding of battery tech all wrong. I've told them to standby and I will pass on your guys wealth of knowledge asap. 👍 There's a huge difference between a lfp system on the land that you can walk away from if it goes tits up and starts smoking. And a big difference between the simplicity of picking up a failed made in Taiwan bit of circuitry from your local supplier than having a complex bit of circuit board fail half way Fiji... Alternator connected to a lead carbon battery beats the safety of your lifepo4 hands down everytime on a boat. No problem with your lfp solution on land where you can run your backup generator or just drive to your neighbours cause your battery shed is burning to the ground. That's very different to a boat. |
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Post by em on Nov 19, 2023 17:10:01 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up .
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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 17:19:54 GMT 12
Lead carbon is way better and safer than Lfp.
It's like the easygoing option that doesn't demand a ton of attention – simple to handle, not too fussy about charging, and you don't need to be an electronics whiz to manage it.
Safety-wise, lead carbon is better option with a lower risk of overheating compared to LFP, and you won't need complex circuitry from Taiwan to keep things in check.
And let's talk budget – lead carbon won't empty your wallet. It's cost-effective, environmentally friendly, giving you longer battery life and less waste. Plus, it's been around, tried, and tested, so you know it's not just a trendy choice.
If you're after a laid-back, budget-friendly, and reliable battery that doesn't require a PhD in electronics or fancy circuitry, and is less likely to send your boat up in flames then lead carbon is the way to roll.
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Post by sabre on Nov 19, 2023 17:28:40 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up . Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 17:32:31 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up . Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. Fuck me! Something we agree on 😅😍😂 I wish these could still be bought. They even used to have ovens... But I never tried the oven. They were bought out by Dometic who promptly closed down the line. Every now and again one shows up on trademe but have not seen one for a while... |
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Post by sabre on Nov 19, 2023 17:33:14 GMT 12
I am quite bemused with all the hand wringing over the safety of Lifepo4 batteries and I am still convinced many of you are confusing lithium-ion batteries with lithium-ion phosphate. Heres a good article and a snippet that seems very appropriate.. Internet trolls pollute the Internet like cigarette butts pollute city sidewalks and gutters. You know who I’m talking about, the undereducated know-it-all who enters any conversation regarding lithium iron phosphate batteries in a Facebook group or boating forum and starts with; “The only people looking at lithium iron phosphate batteries are the ones who want their boat to blow up”. Let’ cut out the BS right now. LiFePo4 and LiCoO2 (Boeing) are about as different as water and gasoline in terms of resistance to burning/exploding. While LiCoO2 and LifePo4 are both Li-Ion batteries, the chemistries are vastly different in terms of safety. Let’s not forget Flat-Earthers still exist too… When you see these trolls politely ignore them &, as the internet goes, “don’t feed the trolls“.. marinehowto.com/drop-in-lifepo4-be-an-educated-consumer/Worth a re-post. This guy knows what he is talking about. I should have paid more attention to the last sentence lol |
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Post by sabre on Nov 19, 2023 17:35:57 GMT 12
Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. Fuck me! Something we agree on 😅😍😂 I wish these could still be bought. They even used to have ovens... But I never tried the oven. They were bought out by Dometic who promptly closed down the line. Every now and again one shows up on trademe but have not seen one for a while... I bought a single burner not long ago for $500. Flogged the gimbals off for my double and on-sold for $500. Lasted about 5 minutes on TM. Apparently an outfit in Germany? has started making a copy. |
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Post by em on Nov 19, 2023 17:40:01 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up . Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. We will be going induction hob when the time comes and bbq for any roast type cooking . The scandinavian brands of diesel stoves and ovens are interesting but very very expensive . |
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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 17:48:24 GMT 12
Fuck me! Something we agree on 😅😍😂 I wish these could still be bought. They even used to have ovens... But I never tried the oven. They were bought out by Dometic who promptly closed down the line. Every now and again one shows up on trademe but have not seen one for a while... I bought a single burner not long ago for $500. Flogged the gimbals off for my double and on-sold for $500. Lasted about 5 minutes on TM. Apparently an outfit in Germany? has started making a copy. Not surprised! Definitely the beez knees cookers. Ran Tan II had one. Best cooker on a Race Boat full stop. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Nov 19, 2023 17:58:09 GMT 12
Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. We will be going induction hob when the time comes and bbq for any roast type cooking . The scandinavian brands of diesel stoves and ovens are interesting but very very expensive . This is probably the most compelling reason for lithum on a boat... Once you leave the simplicity of a la 12v battery with gas and get into full on switchboard, electronics, cooktops, ovens and inverter, I guess adding lfp starts to be a no brainer cause 1000ah of lead can be replaced with 500ah of lfp. We looked at the diesel cookers. Problem was the flu and chimney we had no place. And I could not see how to gimbal the stove with a 3" stainless exhaust... But apparently it's possible but we didn't look any harder when we couldn't figure out where to put the chimney... |
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Post by fish on Nov 19, 2023 18:28:19 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up . It's not just the explosion risk with those puppy's. Carbon monoxide can kill you without you evening knowing. I got a mox alarm for our boat, $58 from M10. Highly recommend it, you can't be too careful cooking with old (or any) LPG appliance indoors. www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/carbon-monoxide-alarm/p/398989Our gas cooker stove is original I think, i.e. 40 yrs old. I've thought about replacing it but get traumatised by the price when I look at new options, and can't find anything actually wrong with our current one. Twin burner with grill and oven. I did have a good sus of those diesel stoves, other than the price I couldn't work out what to do with the flu / exhaust gas. You can use them as a space heater cause the exhaust is ducted outside, and their isn't the moisture issue of LPG. If I were doing a new build and wanted to go to high latitudes it would be a consideration. Probably why they are all Scandi brands. |
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Post by sabre on Nov 19, 2023 18:30:48 GMT 12
Yep agree hence I have an origo alcohol stove. Great bit of kit. We will be going induction hob when the time comes and bbq for any roast type cooking . The scandinavian brands of diesel stoves and ovens are interesting but very very expensive . Yeah I see the induction cook tops are quite popular overseas. Had a brief look into them but concluded they were too power thirsty for my humble set up. I do have a rice cooker onboard which with the origo gives me some basic culinary options. I seriously considered the dickinson diesel heater but space constraints and concerns about the flu (heat/smoke) put me off. If I had a 34fter I think it would be a must have. Off topic but I just finished wiring up my 2kw diesel heater and giving it a test run.. been going for 5 minutes and its bloody hot just quietly.. |
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Post by em on Nov 19, 2023 19:13:02 GMT 12
I’m more concerned about the LPG stove and oven on the boat . The sooner I can get rid of it the better , no warning smoke from that fucker if it goes up . It's not just the explosion risk with those puppy's. Carbon monoxide can kill you without you evening knowing. I got a mox alarm for our boat, $58 from M10. Highly recommend it, you can't be too careful cooking with old (or any) LPG appliance indoors. www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/carbon-monoxide-alarm/p/398989Our gas cooker stove is original I think, i.e. 40 yrs old. I've thought about replacing it but get traumatised by the price when I look at new options, and can't find anything actually wrong with our current one. Twin burner with grill and oven. I did have a good sus of those diesel stoves, other than the price I couldn't work out what to do with the flu / exhaust gas. You can use them as a space heater cause the exhaust is ducted outside, and there isn't the moisture issue of LPG. If I were doing a new build and wanted to go to high latitudes it would be a consideration. Probably why they are all Scandi brands. Yep got an alarm which does does double duty for the diesel heater in case it somehow sucks it own exhaust in |
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