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Post by muzled on Oct 7, 2024 11:56:35 GMT 12
Judith Collins said they're not insured. Which makes sense, what insurer would insure naval vessels that could get called into a conflict situation. |
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Post by eri on Oct 7, 2024 13:54:48 GMT 12
yeah....but she's being pretty cagey about it...the suggestion is 3rd party insurance? Manawanui was originally launched in 2003 as MV Edda Fonn.
It was bought by New Zealand for NZ$103 million in 2018.
Before arriving in New Zealand, it undertook stage one modification work in Denmark, before being commissioned in June 2019.
A second tranche of modification work was completed in September 2023.www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/10/hmnzs-manawanui-sunk/ |
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Post by mihit on Oct 7, 2024 15:11:09 GMT 12
Or, if she was THAT close in... sounding source is 2015 |
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Post by mihit on Oct 7, 2024 15:16:43 GMT 12
this reef hasn't been surveyed since 1987 and since then there have been earthquakes, there's been tsunamis, there's been changes to that reef and that's why that survey was taking place." That would appear to be a lie |
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Post by Fogg on Oct 7, 2024 17:02:07 GMT 12
Military assets are always self-insured by governments.
All commercial insurance excludes war-risks and excludes military assets at any time.
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 7, 2024 19:33:36 GMT 12
Rob Mac Culloch on the second guessing by people who should know better before the Court of Inquiry has even started Why did NZ Navy's Chief, Rear Admiral Golding, Pre-Judge the Court of Inquiry into the Sinking of the Manawanui? It will cost NZ over $1 billion that should have gone into Health-care. The sinking of the Navy's Manawanui ship is an environmental & economic catastrophe for Samoa & New Zealand. Defense Minister Collins and Rear Admiral Golding told the press they would not comment on the causes of the sinking, saying there would be a Court of Inquiry to find out what happened .. and then immediately proceeded to comment on the possible causes of the sinking and pre-judge that very Court. Golding, who was appointed by Collins little over one month ago, praised the leadership of the ship's Commander, saying she made the right call to evacuate and “saved lives”. How does he know she made the right call without holding all the evidence, which will only come out in an Inquiry. Who knows what happened? Maybe after the ship hit the reef and began taking on water, it could've still been saved. Maybe the crew panicked, abandoning ship too early? Maybe after leaving the ship it then caught fire and with no-one left to extinguish the flames, it was the fire that caused the complete sinking. That would imply a terrible error of judgment on behalf of NZ's Defense Ministry, Collins, who probably knew of the decision as it was being made, and the ship's crew. Minister Collins has now speculated about the ship losing power, again pre-judging the Court. Even if it did, why weren't anchors dropped? For Minister Collins & the Navy Chief to apportion blame (since saying the ship lost power blames engineers) & condoning the abandonment before the Court of Inquiry is so wrong.
When the Rena partially sank off Tauranga Harbour, salvage bills ended up topping $600 million. The sinking of the Manawanui is on a different scale. It may put diesel poison into Samoa's food supply for decades. Collins stated, “This could have been a truly terrible day”. What's she on about? It was a terrible day. Is she only talking about the crew? Doesn't she care about the consequences for Samoans? The sinking has blown the entire budget savings which the Finance Minister has called for in our health system, assuming NZ faces its responsibilities & engages in the multi billion dollar clean-up that will have to be sub-contracted to other countries, since we don't have the required equipment.
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Post by fish on Oct 7, 2024 20:34:37 GMT 12
potentially some actual facts around this, although only 'suggestions' at this stage: Speaking to TVNZ’s Breakfast on Monday, Defence Minister Judith Collins suggested a power outage may have caused the ship to run aground. On Monday afternoon, speaking to Newstalk ZB’s Jack Tame, Willis said the vessel had the equivalent of third-party insurance, which didn’t cover the ship itself, but would provide some help for the clean-up. www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350443201/100m-nz-navy-ship-sank-near-samoa-not-fully-insured |
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Post by fish on Oct 7, 2024 21:27:11 GMT 12
On 7 July 2002, Nottingham ran aground on the submerged but well-charted Wolf Rock near Lord Howe Island, 370 miles (600 km) off the coast of Australia causing £26 million worth of damage.[3] A 160-foot (49 m) hole was torn down the side of the vessel from bow to bridge, flooding five of her compartments and nearly causing her to sink. HMNZS Te Mana and HMNZS Endeavour provided relief for the crew for approximately 2–3 weeks. The accident happened in poor weather[4] after a set of manoeuvres to allow a sailor with an emergency medical condition to be evacuated to Lord Howe Island. The captain, Commander Richard Farrington, had been ashore having dinner with the island's marine services manager thanking him for the assistance rendered to his crewman. Farrington had just returned and at the time of the incident the Executive Officer (XO), Lt Commander John Lea, was in-charge of the vessel.[5] Nottingham ran aground on Wolf Rock owing to a navigational error and the vessel immediately went into damage control mode. Commander Farrington returned to the bridge whereby he took command and controlled the breached compartments.[6] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Nottingham_(D91) |
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Post by mihit on Oct 8, 2024 6:21:27 GMT 12
Speaking to TVNZ’s Breakfast on Monday, Defence Minister Judith Collins suggested a power outage may have caused the ship to run aground. "may have"
How do you know when a politician is lying? - They're talking.
Apparently they had power enough to flip on their AIS while rolling on the rocks for 13 hours.
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 8, 2024 8:16:04 GMT 12
this guy does not pull his punches hmstypicallydefiant.blogspot.com/2024/10/comprehensive-and-total-failure.html The nice feature of this ridiculous story is that no lives were lost. The wonder of course is that any lives were ever even hazarded in such a pointless and stupid total waste of time, money, effort, and ship. Just what part of getting an up close survey of a reef calls for stranding a ship on it? Surely if you want to muck about on a reef you used divers and small boats. You know, the kind of thing you can buy at KMart in Australia. The captain of the poor ship thought snuggling up to a well charted reef in 4 meter ocean swells was a great idea.....
The part that amuses me more than most of the rest is that the ship ran aground, was stranded, burned to a crisp and then sank. You really cannot do much more than that to a ship unless you want to use it again. I'll say it again though, it is far too late now, but when we pick the people to run our Navy and run our ships we really need to stop making anything other than ability a distant last when it comes to measures of performance necessary to take on the job. That kind of thinking applies all the way down to the deck plates and it's not just about this ridiculous accident, it's about all of them over the last 30 years or so.
Interesting blog, ex USN Chief Engineer
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Post by fish on Oct 8, 2024 9:08:28 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Oct 8, 2024 10:26:26 GMT 12
Oh that’ll be great for NZ’s 100% Pure bullshit image.
With King Charles such a strong environmentalist he will be rightly horrified at what will no doubt become a stinking, oily mess.
And the NZ contingent should be rightly embarrassed into the ground.
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Post by Fogg on Oct 8, 2024 10:28:51 GMT 12
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Luxon suddenly finds a convenient ‘clash’ arises that means he can’t attend in-person.
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Post by muzled on Oct 8, 2024 10:38:12 GMT 12
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Luxon suddenly finds a convenient ‘clash’ arises that means he can’t attend in-person. That would have been my guess if that well known socialist Dame was still in power. 'frown, wave, nod, disappear'... I'd hope Luxon would take a little more ownership than that and front up and own it for what it is. |
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Post by harrytom on Oct 8, 2024 12:50:49 GMT 12
Dont worry folks we will get a new ship soon,never seen so many camera vans,plain cars,te puna weigh bridge working and waihi bridge. Seems every 10km there would be a cop.Shwy 2. Bottom Bombay to Tauranga via paeroa.
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