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Post by ComfortZone on Nov 1, 2024 16:00:43 GMT 12
Indirectly yes, orchestrated by the FBI.
Yeah, ok. That doesn't sound very credible, but I'm keen to understand how you came to believe that? By looking at a wide range of sources, being very cynical of anything coming from the MSM and so called fact checkers. Also looking a patterns of behaviour, and in the case of the FBI who is supposed to be apolitical, they are anything but, frequently getting involved in political matters and showing bias, or not as the case may be eg turning a blind eye to Shillary Clinton's private server but on the other hand going after Trump on the "classified documents" witch hunt, when at the end of the day he had no more on hand than previous presidents and VPs. By the way, did you know on the latter that a judge suspended the trial over the mar del largo raid because because the FBI’s photo depicting all of Trump’s “top secret documents” was considered to be staged. Also did you know Woodward and Berstein's Watergate source "Deep Throat" was associate director of the FBI, Mark Felt. Now, you have to wonder if there was a case to be answered why was a senior FBI official leaking to journalists of a very pro Democrat newspaper.
Here is something to ponder on in the case of 6 January, you might say it is rabbit hole stuff, but it may also be a case of where there smoke there is fire |
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Post by Cantab on Nov 2, 2024 7:29:32 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Nov 2, 2024 7:37:26 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Nov 2, 2024 8:48:25 GMT 12
Your views are very much conditioned by your news source.
This is from a presidential candidate, its just the tip of the iceberg. He was not interviewed by this network once while running for this election. His speeches were removed from facebook and youtube.
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Post by fish on Nov 2, 2024 19:47:59 GMT 12
“She’s a radical war hawk,” Trump said of Cheney. “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there, with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
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Post by Cantab on Nov 2, 2024 21:40:07 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Nov 3, 2024 7:13:08 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 3, 2024 7:24:26 GMT 12
This is a consequence of the current state of US politics where any conservative candidate is subject to incredible vitirol and character assassination by the Dopeycrats and other left groups, aided and abetted by the compliant media. Look what Trump's nominees for the Supreme court went thru. So unfortuntely people who might be a good fit for the role of president from the conservative side have no stomach for this so you will get a Trump like personality with a hide like a water buffalo. The Dopeycrats have tried everything to get rid of him, all the lawfare, the assasination attempts, the false Russian accusations (engineered by Shillary Clinton) and fraudulent voting, yet he keeps bouncing back. You probably would not agree, but Winston Churchill was a somewhat similar personality. I would rather have someone like Trump as their President for all his many faults, because he stands up for his country and gets shit done, unlike the Dopeycrat swamp dwellers who are only about dividing and destroying their country whilst filling their own pockets.
Where do you stand on the Jan 6 Insurrection? Was that the fault of the dopeycrats too? Before anyone speculates on who was behind the Jan-6 uprising it’s worth reflecting on what did and did not happen. The stated goal was for Trump supporters to overturn the Biden election result. The lesser reported - but in my view way more significant event that almost happened (but not quite) - was the complete removal of democratic lawmakers from their place of power. The politicians were removed only minutes before the rioters broke in. If they had succeeded then technically the official rule of law in the US would have broken down. You might say, “Well, they would have just sent in the army then.” But then you ask “Who?” Because by then, technically nobody would have been in power. She again, as history shows us, when you get a power vacuum then all bets are off and chaos prevails. Because by design all our democracies are based on rules and procedures. But there literally are no rules for what happens when everything breaks down. I don’t think many people realise how close the US got to complete breakdown of law & order on Jan-6. Now, with all of that in mind, ask yourself again, “Who was behind it - and who would have wanted that outcome?” In my view, no single rationale person (or organisation) would have pursued breakdown of law & order as an objective. Certainly not the FBI. It was the result of a mob of angry & frustrated populous venting their fury at what they perceived as a ‘broken’ system. And that they had got to the point of thinking that anything was better than the status quo - even political violence & lawlessness. When your own voters are prepared to take things that far, you know you have a serious issue at hand. And Trump’s political existence is just one small symptom / example of this deep-rooted breakdown in the US populations’ trust of their system. And as I said before, this looks a lot like a sped-up version of the fall of the Roman Empire. |
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Post by Cantab on Nov 3, 2024 7:40:18 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Nov 3, 2024 7:40:51 GMT 12
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Post by em on Nov 3, 2024 7:48:46 GMT 12
The bullshit flinging and “he said , she said “ is the perfect distraction from the real and bigger issues . One of which I find the most compelling is the looming debt ceiling crisis and the quite possible ushering or forcing in of Bitcoin or modified bitcoin to replace the USD and Gold . Most of the Cabal pushing for Bitcoin behind the scenes already have large holdings of Bitcoin but also share some extreme religious ideology . Whether they practice what they believe is very doubtful . It’s almost the Catholic Church all over again racing for world supremacy , beginning with installing a president then replacing the USD with Bitcoin or an alternative crytpo . Left leaning article but compelling all the same . washingtonspectator.org/peter-thiel-and-the-american-apocalypse/We got lucky in 2021, when Congress passed a $2.5 trillion increase right before the Christmas break. That kicked the can down the road to January 19, 2023, when we hit the limit once again. Janet Yellen enacted “extraordinary measures” to stretch available cash until June 5; House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and President Biden struck a deal which was passed just days before default, or “X-Date.”
That deal (which really only registered with political and finance nerds) bought us until January 2025. If sane people are elected to Congress and the Presidency, that shouldn’t be a problem: just sort out some kind of deal, pass it, and live to fight another day. But these are not sane times. It’s wise to plan for the worst, which unfortunately is quite a plausible eventuality.
J. D. Vance’s selection as Trump’s running mate suggests that Vance’s benefactor, Peter Thiel, is running the show, reprising an aborted effort to run the show from 2016. He seems to have learned from his mistakes. Thiel’s main hook into the first Trump administration was Steve Bannon, and their efforts were largely stymied by Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner and other advisors; Bannon was ultimately forced out and left the administration after the deadly white supremacist “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in August 2017.
In The Contrarian, a 2021 biography of Thiel, author Max Chafkin describes Vance as an “extension” of Thiel, who was a primary funder of Vance’s victorious 2022 race for Senate in Ohio. If Trump wins, Vance will be a heartbeat away from the presidency — and that should give everyone palpitations of their own. |
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Post by em on Nov 3, 2024 7:55:42 GMT 12
Where do you stand on the Jan 6 Insurrection? Was that the fault of the dopeycrats too? Before anyone speculates on who was behind the Jan-6 uprising it’s worth reflecting on what did and did not happen. The stated goal was for Trump supporters to overturn the Biden election result. The lesser reported - but in my view way more significant event that almost happened (but not quite) - was the complete removal of democratic lawmakers from their place of power. The politicians were removed only minutes before the rioters broke in. If they had succeeded then technically the official rule of law in the US would have broken down. You might say, “Well, they would have just sent in the army then.” But then you ask “Who?” Because by then, technically nobody would have been in power. She again, as history shows us, when you get a power vacuum then all bets are off and chaos prevails. Because by design all our democracies are based on rules and procedures. But there literally are no rules for what happens when everything breaks down. I don’t think many people realise how close the US got to complete breakdown of law & order on Jan-6. Now, with all of that in mind, ask yourself again, “Who was behind it - and who would have wanted that outcome?” In my view, no single rationale person (or organisation) would have pursued breakdown of law & order as an objective. Certainly not the FBI. It was the result of a mob of angry & frustrated populous venting their fury at what they perceived as a ‘broken’ system. And that they had got to the point of thinking that anything was better than the status quo - even political violence & lawlessness. When your own voters are prepared to take things that far, you know you have a serious issue at hand. And Trump’s political existence is just one small symptom / example of this deep-rooted breakdown in the US populations’ trust of their system. And as I said before, this looks a lot like a sped-up version of the fall of the Roman Empire. Exactly . I wonder what posters here would think if Brian Tamakis “Tu Tangata riders “ attempted a similar overthrow of the Beehive with Tamaki watching it unfold on TV ? I’m using Tamaki as an example because that’s the closest we have in NZ to a vaudeville act trying to pass as political organisation |
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Post by Cantab on Nov 3, 2024 8:01:15 GMT 12
Irony 101: State "bullshit flinging and “he said , she said “ is the perfect distraction" then post an opinion piece left wing conspiracy theory.
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Post by GO30 on Nov 3, 2024 8:16:57 GMT 12
We're they really trying to 'over throw' the Govt? Not too sure they were as they lacked quite a bit, like a few million more of them, a big fuck off pile of guns and anything that looked vaguely like it was a planned event with a goal of any sort, let alone a goal that would change the world.
It was a pile of people hyped up and pissed off trying to tell whoever would listen.....and then one or 2 muppets threw a stone, a window breaks (something like that) and boom, it's all on.
Tamaki before TPM and the Greens? Not seeing it.
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Post by Cantab on Nov 3, 2024 8:22:02 GMT 12
Even CNN is starting to call her out,
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