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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 12, 2024 8:22:08 GMT 12
And these are probably naively truthful. Whereas you can be sure that most other Navies will be publishing deliberately incorrect info to confuse enemy analysts. Coming from a family historically linked to UK military intelligence I am confident of this. đ Just a couple of random samples suggesting that perhaps like so much in this crazy world, times have changed -after all the USN now has a trans 4 star admiral, in the past that would have been spelt SECURITY RISK
both quite specific on propulsion systems. By contrast entry for the aircraft carrier Prince of Wales is silent on the propulsion system.
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Post by fish on Oct 12, 2024 9:56:18 GMT 12
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Post by mihit on Oct 12, 2024 10:39:36 GMT 12
Anyone know what this actually means? "Potential oil leakage from the ship's engine"? Sources had suggested to RNZ concerns had been raised about potential oil leakage from the ship's engine before it left. Gs It would depend who their sauce is and when they said it. Before sinking I would read that as "they found oil under the sump but could not determine where it came from" after sinking I would read it as "if the sump or oil filtration system is compromised then it will leak used oil" That's assuming their source was engineroom personell, if instead their source is some unqualified professional whinger, then I would just ignore it altogether. |
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Post by Fogg on Oct 12, 2024 11:26:29 GMT 12
And these are probably naively truthful. Whereas you can be sure that most other Navies will be publishing deliberately incorrect info to confuse enemy analysts. Coming from a family historically linked to UK military intelligence I am confident of this. đ Just a couple of random samples suggesting that perhaps like so much in this crazy world, times have changed -after all the USN now has a trans 4 star admiral, in the past that would have been spelt SECURITY RISK
both quite specific on propulsion systems. By contrast entry for the aircraft carrier Prince of Wales is silent on the propulsion system.
In the past being Trans was a dark secret making someone vulnerable to blackmail. Today being Trans is a loudly-shouted promotable quality. In fact these days you are more vulnerable to blackmail for claiming to be Trans but turning out not to be. |
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Post by GO30 on Oct 12, 2024 12:13:16 GMT 12
Anyone know what this actually means? "Potential oil leakage from the ship's engine"? Lets line that up with Trumps 'They are eating the cats'.
Did Trump lie? Not as such as there is police video of a women who did something icky to a cat and some on lookers were saying 'she cooked and ate it'. Hardly 100% solid on it being eaten nor wide spread as Trump may have wanted to suggest nor was it Springfield, it was down the road a wee ways. Add that to the Swans taken and eaten from a town square, which has been confirmed by the city, and Trump was not wrong even if he is guilty of trying to turn a pebble into a mountain re the scale of roasted pussies.
One person in the Navy or close to says 'last month we had a cock up which meant there was potential for an oil leak', add that to a media keen on gottyas and not so much on accuracy, Boom there is your headline.
Today we live in times where 'based on a true story' is being sold as the actually happening.
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 12, 2024 12:39:55 GMT 12
An Australian perspective on YT, his accompanying commentary says rather alot about the wokeness of the NZ navy Thereâs rumours going around that the Te Ope KÄtua o Aotearoa, New Zealand Defence Force, has become woke. That canât be true! Ä MÄtau TÄngata, mĆ mÄtou ngÄ tĆ«ranga. Sorry, I donât mean to be rude, but I just canât read their website. Does everybody in New Zealand know how to read this? All I know is that they mention their diverse workforce, and they seem to have an unhealthy obsession with gender and race. Despite this, males still outnumber females by about 4 to 1. They refer to almost everything in MÄori. âOne of the unique features about our military is our three service marae â Te Taua Moana Marae, Rongomaraeroa, and the Te TĆ«rangawaewaeâŠâ Sorry, I promise thatâs the last MÄori Iâll attempt to read.
They seem to openly welcome me to their website, but as an English-speaking foreigner from neighbouring Australia, I canât bloody well read it! Basically, âOur marae help us blend MÄori and European customs and warrior traditions, creating a unique foundation for the people of NZDF.â Okay, I get it. âWe have a Bicultural Policy that sets out how we will achieve a bicultural status that recognises MÄori cultural interests.â Okay, fine.
But back to their gender obsession. For example, hereâs the latest copy of the NZDFâs Army News hot off the presses, âNew Chief of Army, Major General Rose Kingâ. âWhen I first joined, I couldnât join certain areas of our organisation based on my genderâ. âMajor General King is the first wahine in the NZDF to lead NgÄti TĆ«maâŠâ Sorry, I promised I wouldnât do that again. A wahine, apparently, means female gender. Why donât they just say that? What are they trying to do here? It just seems like pandering slipping in MÄori now and again. Either write it in MÄori, or write it in English, this mixing of language is a nightmare!
This is Navy Today from December 2022. The article Iâm interested in is this page 10 one. This is Commander Yvonne Gray, who at the time was the new Commanding Officer of HMNZS Manawanui. âThis is an opportunity to take a ship, still in its infancy, and further the capability of that ship, and influence and help the next Navy.â She sure did influence the next Navy. Less than two years later, she sunk the ship! Well, she was in command of the ship that ran aground, caught fire, and sunk, the first ship the New Zealand Navy has lost since World War Two!
A Samoan local by the name of Manu, told the media, âHe (she) must have cruised over that reef, thought nothing was coming, and then all of a sudden something came. Bang! I just donât understand what he (she) was doing there. It bewilders me as to why he (she) was there. I know itâs a scientific research boat, but he (she) shouldnât have been that close to the reef. Thereâs no reason to be that close to the reef, not with the amount of swells that was around. The reef was already getting destroyed from other things, but I just hope the ship hasnât done anything.â
But back to the Defence Force article from 2022. âYorkshire woman takes command of Royal New Zealand Navy Ship. In 2012, Commander Gray and her wife Sharon moved to New Zealand after falling in love with the country during a campervan holiday.â Oh, how nice. âWhen Iâve really enjoyed a job itâs because Iâve made a difference, where things are a little bit better than they were before.â Yep, she sure made a difference this time. Apparently, that was at least 11% of the New Zealand Navy that she sank, the first peace-time loss of a Navy vessel. Luckily, nobody died.
Defence Minister Judith Collins gave a press conference about the disaster. What do you think she focused on? âI am New Zealand's first female defence minister. The Army has its first female Chief of Army. Major General Rose King, Manawanuiâs Captain, Commander Yvonne Gray, is female. We are all appointed on merit, not gender. A court of inquiry has been stood up to establish what caused this terrible incident. The one thing that we already know did not cause it is the gender of the shipâs captain.â Oh, thatâs a relief! Without even starting the court of inquiry, they already know that is has nothing to do with gender, or their woke hiring policies.
I actually asked AI to title this video, âWrite a catchy video title to describe the sinking of the HMNZS Manawanui, noting that the captainâs gender / sexual identity played no part in its sinking.â It replied, âSure! How about this: Lesbian Captainâs Gender Had Nothing to Do with Sunken Ship. Does this capture what youâre looking for?â Yes, it does, and thatâs exactly what I titled this video. Thanks AI!
Guess whoâs heading up the court of inquiry? Go on, guess the gender! Commodore Melissa Ross â The first female Commodore ever and Deputy Chief. I wonder what the inquiry will find?
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 12, 2024 15:45:31 GMT 12
What's the saying....
Go woke go broke.....
With all these Maori names which force is which??
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Post by mihit on Oct 12, 2024 16:51:48 GMT 12
What's the saying.... Go woke go broke..... With all these Maori names which force is which?? Well, Tangaroa isn't fucking around  |
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Post by eri on Oct 18, 2024 14:07:19 GMT 12
last month a blue bridge ferry drifted for a couple of hours after complete engine shutdown while carry passengers between wellington and picton the inquest has just heard it was due to contaminated fuel.... presumably the navy get their fuel from the same source? what's wrong with the testing of this singaporean? fuel that people's lives were put at risk...is it even tested? and if it was the same fuel what's wrong with tracking of dodgy foreign sourced fuel, that a month isn't long enough to get it out of the system before it possibly caused the $100,000,000 loss of our new survey ship? www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530729/fuel-problem-reason-for-bluebridge-ferry-connemara-losing-power-harbourmasterdo we have the most capable people throughout our systems or just a bunch of check-list ticking ass-covers? |
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Post by fish on Oct 18, 2024 14:19:56 GMT 12
Not the inquest, this is just Straight Shipping sorting their own shit out. The inquest, via that waste of oxygen Maritime NZ is still a year away. The Welly Harbour Master, Grant Nalder, made a statement last week that it was fuel issues, and that Straight Shipping wanted to get on top of it, and were not going to wait for MNZ, cause they have ships to run and can't stop operating for a year. I was going to post the article, cause it was very amusing how the Harbour Master was saying no-one can wait for MNZ to do their statutory job. Anyway, I reckon there is some sort of wider problem with fuel that is currently being kept from the public. Late last year (I think) or early this year, the govt deferred or dropped the requirement to increase the amount of biofuel being put into all NZ fuels. I seem to recall it was J. Collins making the announcement, but I can't remember why it was her. Anyway, there were two problems with the biofuel increase. One was "technical issues" the other was cost. Govt wanted to avoid both, noting the loonie lefties of Saint Dame Jacinda had set the ball rolling with legislation to increase the biofuel content. As we all know, biofuel is a fucking hazard in anything other than a domestic car that turns over a tank a week. Small engines, mowers, outboards, marine engines, and anything with large fuel tanks, such as, err, ships, are prone to complete clusterfucks if you start messing with the purity of your fuel, especially by adding biofuel to it. I imagine ships don't fill up that often, and have very large tanks where things can grow and go wrong. From a techo point of view, Straight Shipping said they buggered the injectors. What does that? Water? Or general gunk getting past the filters? I'm only familiar with fuel starvation from blocked filters, never managed to screw an injector. |
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Post by eri on Oct 18, 2024 14:30:32 GMT 12
âPart of the challenge of using biodiesel is its inherent affinity for water compared to conventional fuels. In the presence of moisture and water, biodiesel can form a stable emulsion, increasing the potential risk for bacterial growth to develop in the fuel system. Its use will increase exponentially in the next few years. Biodiesel, with a blend greater than 25%, is foreseen. At this level, water management in the fuel supply chain and shipboard equipment becomes critical.âwww.rivieramm.com/news-content-hub/news-content-hub/biofuels-a-natural-choice-for-shippings-decarbonisation-70308so biofuels require more monitoring than trad-fuels and it isn't getting it?
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 18, 2024 14:31:44 GMT 12
From a techo point of view, Straight Shipping said they buggered the injectors. What does that? Water? Or general gunk getting past the filters? I'm only familiar with fuel starvation from blocked filters, never managed to screw an injector. Gunk will block the filters, water will bugger the injectors and potentially the injector pump depending upon configuration. By the way it is not an inquest, that is when someone dies, it is an investigation.
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Post by eri on Oct 18, 2024 14:35:43 GMT 12
"But Nalder said StraitNZ knew what the problem was, and had resolved it - otherwise the Connemara would not be sailing.
"They're not going to steam round for a year wondering why the engine stopped, they're going to sort that out a lot sooner than that," he said.
"They need to know pretty much straight away, why was this a problem and how do we fix it."
Nalder said as far as he knew there was not a problem with the supplied fuel - rather, it was "something that happened when the fuel got to them" - how the fuel interacted with machinery on board."
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if fuel contamination by "bug" etc is the reason these engines keep stopping
it would appear things have been rushed through with insufficient testing
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Post by Cantab on Oct 18, 2024 14:45:05 GMT 12
When diesel was made in New Zealand it came out with zero water in it.
The imported stuff can have thousands of liters per load.
I'm very much surprised it isn't already a bigger problem.
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Post by muzled on Oct 22, 2024 15:02:54 GMT 12
www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/10/hmnzs_manawai.htmlA reader observes: The ship lies in 30m of water just off the reef and not far from where the sea floor plunges 300m+ one nautical mile offshore from Upoloâs north coast near the cross-island highway and opposite the five star Sinalei Reef Resort. The coastline there is incredibly beautiful and pristine. IMHO the ship is not salvageable. Instead the focus has to be on removing the 950 tonnes of diesel on board and mitigating any environmental impact. That in itself will be a hazardous undertaking working so close to the reef. There has been a lot of commentary from armchair admirals with much to say based on very little knowledge with a fair bit of misoginism thrown in for good measure. Particular (disparaging) comment has been made about the Captainâs sexuality. By all accounts she is an extremely capable ex RN officer who managed to evacuate the ship in dark, in a heightened sea state, without loss of life. Both the Minister and the Chief of Navy have commended her for that. Having said that it is fair to point out that under the previous Chief of Navy there was a push to give female officers seagoing command experience ⊠last year four out of our seven operational ships were commanded by females. Early this year one of those (Captain HMNZS Canterbury) was relieved of command after her superiors reportedly lost confidence in her. Perhaps its time to pause and reflect. Manawanui was a state of the art ship albeit in a 20 YO hull. It had been extensively refurbished and had just come out of a period of maintenance. The reports (if correct) that it suffered a catastrophic loss of power are concerning. The Navy are in the processing of establishing a high level Court of Inquiry into the sinking. I, for one, have confidence in the process. I have no doubt they will leave no stone unturned in establishing what actually happened and what (and who) was responsible with any repercussions to follow. For now the government has a duty of care to throw everything at mitigating the effect of the disaster no matter the cost. Our âspecial relationshipâ (so called) with Samoa is at risk. Samoans recall the tragedy of the SS Tahuna when, in 1918, the NZL Military Administration allowed the ship to dock in Apia with passengers sick with the Spanish Flu (the âblack deathâ) âŠ. the resulting epidemic saw 22% of the population wiped out; nor âBlack Saturdayâ (28 December 1928) where NZL Military policemen machine-gunned a peaceful demonstration by the Mau seeking self government causing 11 deaths; nor Muldoonâs dawn raids of 1976-79; nor the measles epidemic of 2019 imported from NZL. Our special relationship is fragile indeed ⊠we cannot allow this tragedy to de-rail it. Updated ⊠Iâm told from a reliable source that the ship left Devonport with the back up generator non operational. Manawanui had two main engines run off one switch board. When the switch board failed (caught fire) both main engines were knocked out and with the back up generator u/s it was all over rover. If that is correct then heads will surely roll.
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